anybody else here excited about the Rams coming back to LA?

Not really.
Football stadiums typically have a minimal effect on a region's economic growth

The over-all public perception of St. Louis as a 2nd class city may hurt...further down the rode.

Missouri itself still has a team The Kansas City Chiefs...they've got a chance to go all the way this season..the KC Royals won the WS last season.

Missouri sports is doing just fine between St. Louis and KC. I would have preferred the Rams to stay here, but I don't see Missouri's overall economic situation changing much in the absence of one of their NFL teams. The only folks making bank are the owners and players anyway.

 

Once the newness wears off with LA having the NFL again, unless they start winning, fans are fair weather. Fall and Winter in SOCAL don't shut people in with nothing to do on a cold November day but watch football. Folks are out doing stuff. A mediocre team won't hold much interest for long.

 

I love it, the freaking (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) St.Loius rioters deserve no sports teams.

 

Herk - unfortunately it is even worse than that. Los Angeles is a megaplex city, something to do 24-7 with almost year round good weather. Outdoor city, you have to have something really special to draw on their laid back sports mentalities. In a lot of ways, LA fans are like Miami sports fans. We do big things well down here, like horse racing; Super Bowls; mega concert's, boat shows and beach weather and babes. City with swagger.

But the attraction of mediocre sports clubs like the baseball Marlins; NFL Dolphins; NHL Panthers and NBA's Heat, ( with the exception of the LeBron run here ), are always competing for the South Florida sports dollar, and another similarity between the two cities is that the Number 1 sports story in Miami always is the state of UM college football. When the Canes' are doing well, everyone is happy - when they are not - most of the fans are not.

Same holds true for Los Angeles, and Southern Cal football. So, along with dumping the Rams into the Coliseum, a place everybody has abandoned in the past, except the Trojans, the competition for the dollar will be hugely difficult. Three years in that dump - even taking into consideration the novelty of an old team returning to its home, I just don't see that city being very enthusiastic about the NFL. They have been without the league for 20-years. New loyalties have developed.

The other problem for the NFL is what to do with San Diego, a team there for 50-years, and Oakland - an original AFL club, which has come and gone through LA once already, and appears to be remaining in the Bay Area. On the surface, unless that new stadium is built in Inglewood for the Rams, or Carson for the Chargers, today, it appears that the Oakland Raiders are the team that is going to come out on top in the entire transaction. And, suddenly, after 20-years of refusing to put the LA situation on the fast track the league let it languish, and then they comes up with $100 million for both San Diego and Oakland, to go toward stadium construction in those cities?

I think if the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars, Tampa Bay Bucs, or New Orleans Saints would have applied for the LA market anytime in the past 3-years - they would have been approved to relocate overnight. The speed in which the NFL collapsed and let the Rams leave St.Louis shows. what appears to be a "Pontius Pilot" hand washing of the entire situation. The late Rams of St.Louis are not coming into the City of Angels as the old Fearsome Foursome of Rosie Grier, or the running of Eric Dickerson - but a mere shadow of a rather mediocre club that was in LA originally. I don't see a good future there, without those new stadiums getting built - Fast!

BTW, the Ram move hasn't yet been covered in South Florida sports tv shows at all - as I have wrote several times, it is an old story, with not much interest......Luck - but taking them out of Los Angeles originally to compete head-up with Chief's Nation in Missouri was a mistake.

Returning might prove to be just as big a one. The NFL has been there twice, and failed both times - what makes the third time the charm?............

 

Good post Stan.

I think if I said it might seem like sour grapes since I'm actually in St. Louis. I do agree with you however. Los Angeles is a getting a mediocre team, at least at the moment. The upcoming draft won't fix it over-night. The temporary venue, the LA Coliseum, is a dump. Paying NFL ticket and concession prices to watch a mediocre team in a sub-standard venue is not going to win over new fans immediately. Middle aged folks like me, who remember the LA Rams may welcome them back, but younger fans who grew up without an NFL team, aside from the fiasco of moving the Raiders there, don't get all excited about returning Rams team. Los Angeles has a large Hispanic population...the NFL wants to capture that demographic for sure. Hispanics are the fastest growing demographic in America, they are the future of Southern California. The NFL wants to make sure they win them over. Whether they can of course, is to be determined. One thing is for sure, the NFL views St. Louis as a zero-growth market. We're done here, I don't think the NFL will ever return. A sad reality perhaps, because personally I like the sport...however of all the major sports, the NFL is by far the greediest. I'm not saying that out of sour grapes. They will abandon a dying market; there is no loyalty any more...the pursuit of the almighty dollar is what motivates them.

The only thing I can do, as an individual, is to refuse to pad their pocket books. My only consumption of NFL products will be the free ones...on television. I won't be buying merchandise, tickets or have anything to do with the NFL network or ESPN pay for view. If a game is on free television, I'll watch it. I won't give them a dime otherwise.

 

I know my brother is thrilled since he has always been a Rams fan. Even though I am a Raider fan I am pretty excited because now it will be great when the Rams and Raiders play in LA I can go back for a visit and enjoy the game with my brother. Plus the Rams are a young team on the rise, a couple more years and a good QB and I think they will be a very worthy opponent.

I just hope the Chargers do not go. For one I hate the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Chargers with a passion obviously. And for 2 if the Chargers decide to stay then that gives the Raiders the chance to strike a deal with Kroenke and move along with them by 2017 or 2018. Also because the Chargers will fail in LA because San Diego will be so butthurt that their fan base will not support it. The chargers get 30% of their money from fans that live in LA, but how the hell will they make up for the other 70% when the city will obviously pull for the Rams considering the history? And lets face it, San Diego is not a nation wide brand, their fan base is nothing at all big outside of San Diego.sooooooo I see it as a very hard going for them to create that much of a fan base.

And frankly I am worried about Raider Nation. If the Chargers do decide to go to LA, then yeah we could probably move to San Diego, BUT I dont see all those Charger fans down there dawning Raider jerseys . Raider nation is a bigger brand across the country, but San Diego would not be an ideal spot because of the fan base. I see it as a double whammy to the people of San Diego. First they lose their squad and then they gain the squad they have built a passion for hate lol. It would not go over well and it would not be received well at all.

San Antonio/Austin possibility is also a mistake. THAT would be the end of Raider Nation because first of all a Texas team will want a Texas name. Something dumb like the Ranchers or (*)(*)(*)(*) Kickers . So yeah, say goodbye to history. I wouldn't support a name change so I would be without a team. Secondly the Cowboys and Texans hold wayyyyyyyyyy too much of the fan base for a new team to come in. It just wouldn't work out. The only reason Houston worked out was because it's previous fan base was still there. Texas fans are a very very loyal group, ANY team outside of Texas would have a hard time moving there and creating a fan base.

Now a move to ST.Louis could work. They are pissed and I feel they would love nothing more than to swipe another Cali team, give the finger to Kroenke and the Rams and create a massive black hole and build a state of the art stadium for their new team. Plus, Raider Nation is bigger than people think in the south,central and Mid West, so STL could be a win for both the Raiders and STL. Oh and they wouldn't require a name change. Then plus what is great for me is that they will now only be 4 hours away and I dont have to wait until they come to Nashville or Cleveland or Dallas to go see them play.

Hell No to Toronto, (*)(*)(*)(*) NO to London, screw you on this one Texas, and no thanks surfer community of SD...... Only logical choices for the Raiders is LA, STL or stay in Oakland. SD or Texas and Raider Nation will die simply because we can't pull the fan support in San Diego and they will be renamed in Texas.

And if Raider Nation goes, I will not pick up another team and life will suck. I just couldn't do it. I couldn't even become a Rams fan. I would seriously be depressed.

 

It's not sour grapes at all. I just think the NFL saw a quick escape opportunity to solve the Los Angeles market vacancy with a club - any club would have been fine, and took it. What would have been better, if St.Louis didn't have a stadium proposal, and it is my understanding that the one they presented to the NFL was inadequate, THAN the league should have voted the Rams permission to move to Los Angeles - for the 2017 season, giving the city an entire year to develop the Inglewood site - pressure the city of San Diego to build a new stadium, and tossed a bone, in $100 million to Oakland to keep the Raiders there. The league wants two teams in Los Angeles, but there is no guarantee, even with a winning one, remember, the Raiders left there with a Super Bowl championship team, drawing squat, will be a success. So, giving the Rams the nod to return to LA, quickly solves the problem - or - possibly kicks the can down the road in a very mediocre sports fan town. LA isn't Philadelphia; New York; Washington; Dallas; Green Bay; Pittsburgh, et al, where fanatical fans will attend the games, even if the teams are not playing well. LA fans will hit the breach; parasail; deep sea fish; surf; roller blade; hit the horse racing tracks; attend Southern Cal and UCLA football games; but a doormat team arriving with baggage, not memories and wins (even though they grabbed a Super Bowl in Missouri), won't win over the Angelino's. Plus, you are absolutely correct about the Hispanic population's need to embrace the NFL, there, and lots of places.

To again use the Miami example to support your point. The Florida Marlins baseball team owner's held up the City of Miami and Dade County, for a new, domed stadium in downtown, even though every baseball fan, and sports authority in the town told them that moving downtown, would cost the 15,000 season ticket holders from Broward County (Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale). The Marlins got the stadium built downtown having the old Orange Bowl Stadium demolished; great little ballpark, and the average attendance per game in the 37,000 seat, domed facility is 16,000 or less throughout the year. Only time they get a crowd is when the Yankees or Boston comes to town. Those 15,000 season ticket holders north in Broward County, never have returned.

Than, the Marlin's owner talked the city into banning all the areapa and sausage, one man umbrella stand operations within a three mile radius of the stadium, which is in the Little Havana neighborhood, in fact, Little Havana surrounds it, so the one man street vendor's wouldn't compete with the Major League food concession prices inside the stadium. I worked the press box of the old Orange Bowl Stadium for 9-straight years, can tell you nothing was ever wrong with the street vendor's food, they all were licensed, and it was delicious, and dozens were set up during Miami Hurricane football games. One of the lies told the Miami City counsel was a stadium in Little Havana would improve the neighborhood - not true - place remains the same - colorful, tacky, booming Latino and Spanish rock music all the time, and safe. I walked its streets after UM night games as late as 3:00am waiting for the writers to abandon the press box after a night game, and never had one bit of trouble. The Hispanic community can't afford MLB ticket prices (who can?), so the Marlins didn't gain a thing in attendance moving downtown, but, since the Latinos are crazy about baseball, if you drive through Little Havana any summer afternoon with your car windows rolled down, you won't miss a pitch. All their radios and tv's are tuned to the Marlins' games. In fact, the Hispanic population maintains the Marlins' television audience, keeping that team solvent. So, if the Los Angeles Hispanic population doesn't embrace the Rams - I don't see the White or Black community doing so either. Traffic moving into that area is horrific, and just for sheer fun of it, the Hells Angels regularly roar down that freeway just to shock the locals with their crazy gear and nazi regalia, to shake up the community and the drivers. I have had a group of 40 pass me on occasion - they are like a naval task force at high speed, cutting a torpedo wake through eight lanes of traffic, and will do it on a Ram game day just for the fun of it. They are like that.

Anyway - LA is filled - to what end remains to be seen. St.Louis holds an NHL, the long standing St.Louis Blues (think they were established in 1966) franchise, and the MLB Cardinals with the finest and most knowledgeable fans in America. I never thought the city was prime territory for NFL football, anymore than Los Angeles is today, but with cities like Greensboro, NC; Memphis; Nashville; Minneapolis; Baltimore; Tampa; Fort Lauderdale; San Jose and Sacramento, Ottawa and Toronto, all getting NHL or NBA franchises, St.Louis probably could be a soft, attractive landing spot for any NBA team to compensate for the loss of the NFL. That is, of course, if there is an NBA team out there in trouble and wanting to move, because the NBA doesn't have expansion plans right now, although the disaster in Philadelphia, well, the league should contract that club, move it, and throw its owner out of the league like they did the Clippers owner. Perhaps it will happen and you will have a new team to root for in the future..............

 

I blame them,they are bandwagon fans out there for the most part. just about every Ram fan in st louis is all just like you a bandwagon fan that jumps from one team to another so your city never deserved the Rams in the first place.

You mentioned that you became a Rams fan after the cardinals left and that in the future if you get another team which is extremely unlikely considering how bankrupt the city is,that you would cheer on THAT team. that screams bandwagon fan.

when the Rams left LA,I got tired of hearing for the past 2 decades all this garbage that LA should have an expansion team.screw that i said for the past 20 years. I want the Rams back in LA or i dont want LA to ever have another team.Rams only. guess what? several hundreds of thousands of Ram fans out there as well shared my sentimentality.

The first four years the Rams were there that stadium was half empty all the time if even that because they were so horrible.you could easily get tickets to even the lower levels there.

wasnt till the fifth year there when kurt warner and marshall faulk came along and took them to the superbowl that the fans started showing up.

once warner and faulk were gone and they went back to their losing ways,the fans stopped showing up for the games.

My heart goes out to the fans in san diego or oakland if they lose their team because unlike st louis,they got loyal dedicated fans that support their team.

The raiders have been just as much of a joke on the filed the last 10 years plus as the rams have yet they sold out every game this year. they also sold out last year every home game and sold out on a thursday night game as well despite getting off to an 0-13 start.

st louis never deserved the rams,they are back where they belong.Raiders need to stay in oakland and chargers need to stay in SD but i have a feeling that jerk spanos will take the chargers to LA and charger fans will suffer same as i did.i feel very bad for the san diego people the way they are getting screwed.

 

Thats what really sucks about it all is I find myself rooting that the chargers leave san diego because I dont want the raiders back in LA.anybody but them.

I of course want only the rams but the idiots in the NFL are screwing this up wanting two teams there so I have to root for the chargers to leave it looks like.I knew it would come down to this,i been saying the past 2 years it would be the rams and chargers going to Inglewood.one idiot on here refused to listen to me though saying it was a pipe dream of me to think the rams were ever coming back.

 

Good post? thats a laugh. I only read the last sentence there in that long winded bible length post and as always,someone is rambling on clueless as always.

Geddon took you to school on this previously that that is a myth that LA doesnt support their football and sports teams out there same as i did.

you underestimate the loyalty and passion of the Ram fans out there.they are just like the raider fans in oakland or the chicago cubs fans,they both support their teams through thick and thin no matter HOW BAD the teams are playing.

they have been gone for 21 years now that you are mistaken greatly if you think that if they keep losing the newness will wear off.uh they didnt last in LA for over 50 years you know.they lasted that long because the majority of the time there in LA they were always in the top five in league attendance.

yes the LA coliseum is a dump but got news for you.they dont care,like me,they are eager to experience the sentamentality of NFL football again the way it used to be and still SHOULD be.think for a second.

as long as NFL football is around,its not leaving LA again.Now with the movie concussion exposing how corrupt the NFL really is,how these greedy owners dont care about us,NFL football just might not be here 20 years from now.thats what i am hoping for myself the fact it is just like our government,corrupt and badly in need of being reformed.

thats comedy gold you find his post to be a good post when he doesnt even know the facts.lol

He mentioned that the NFL failed twice while in LA. yeah the Rams failed in LA thats why they were there for over 50 years because they failed,no that post is what failed.lol being in the top five in league attendance the majority of the time there is hardly a fail. if the rams failed in LA then all the other NFL teams in all the other cities have failed over the years as well just as bad.

 

I love the clueless ramblings of someone here who has the THEORY NFL football failed TWICE in LA.

Incorrect,on the contrary.someone here has alzheimers diseace because no matter how many times I post this it goes ignored and dismissed because it does not go along with their warped views.

NFL football in LA failed ONCE,not twice,get the facts straight.

Yes the RAIDERS failed in LA when they were there,thats not debatable.

they were there for only a dozen years before moving back to Oakland. they drew such small crowds to games there that the entire time they were in LA,all their games on monday night football were televised on the ROAD.lol The Rams on the other hand,they had such huge crowds they had MANY games on monday night football at home during the 70's and 80's.

Nobody in LA cared about the Raiders.here is the proof in the pudding.The last year the Raiders were in oakland before moving they had just won the superbowl. Guess what the number of fans were that showed up for their home opener their very first season in LA? just a little over 42,000.

wow LA was given a SUPERBOWL winner with the Raiders coming there and yet,nobody cared about the Raiders coming there in playing in LA. The few Raider fans that showed up were OAKLAND fans that kept following them,if they left for LA again,the oakland fans would not follow them again.they have said so.

Also the year the Raiders won the superbowl out there in LA,the next season for their home opener they only had a tiny crowd of just over 44,000.you can look it up yourself.lol thats the normal size crowd for a BASEBALL game.comedy gold.hee hee.

Oakland fans who made the trips out to LA to see the games,the one difference they noticed in the games played in oakland and in LA is that in LA,they had no problems getting tickets to a game.

Getting tickets to games in OAKLAND was always impossible as it is now.

What did the Rams draw that same year for THEIR home opener?
over 65,000.

The OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody in LA cared.

LA is RAMS COUNTRY.The Raiders or chargers will both BOMB if they go to LA.

Lets see.The OAKLAND Raiders played in LA for only a dozen years before moving back to Oakland.
that=FAIL.

the RAMS on the other hand played in LA for over 50 years.that=SUCCESS.

oh and for all the people here ignorant of the facts why the Rams left LA in the first place-"and there are a couple here at least i see." they left only because the owner who owned them Carrol Rosenbloom died and his evil wife took over ownership.

if HE was still alive today,the Rams would never have left.get your facts straight.His wife disrespected her husbands wishes to keep the team in LA.He had a will written up where if he died,his son would get ownership of the team. The evil wicked witch of the west came in though and had her lawyers fix it so that his son lost ownership of the team and she got control over it.

she is burning in hell right now as we speak.

If i knew where her grave was,I would go pi$$ on it now.

 

I love it.One more month till we finally get to hear those magical words LOS ANGELES Rams spoken again baby.

 

My bro failed to get season tickets. But I plan to buy him some game tickets for a surprise since I missed his birthday lol. He is very happy they are back.

 

Here are a couple of videos you can give to him as late birthday presents courtesy of me>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPnP8xQQMo0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k84QxVJd0tI

the first one is hilarious,the second one is very touching and gives me goosebumps.

please let me know when you passed on these two late presents for me to him.

you should feel honored.you are the FIRST person I have shared that first video with.lol the second one i have shown to many people.

 

Haha that first video is pretty good, I will link it to him later on and Im sure he will greatly enjoy it. Did you make that video by chance?

The second video I have seen obviously, but he will get the message. Thank you!

 

Naw I WISH I could take credit for that but that was by a die hard LA Ram out there in LA who made it.

I came across it by browsing the Bring the Rams Back to LA group on facebook. I thought it was hilarious.I have been watching it over and over the last couple days since I found out about it.

That was the same thing I did when I discovered the Rams were coming back to LA a year ago when it was certain they would.I would watch Randy Newmans I LOVE LA video over and over again for MONTHS. ask your brother if he agrees with me,when information surfaced that it was obvious they were coming back,is did that coming home video gave him chills as well when he would watch it as it did me.would like to hear his answer.thanks.

 

I indeed love LA.lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcADqxnQA_4

 

Forgot to tell you that I sent my brother a link to those vids, he really got a kick out of them both. He is happier than the day his fiance said "yes" hahahaha.

 

The Rams are back in LA video I can understand him getting a kick out of,but I cant believe he got a kick ouf of the Im coming home video.THAT one gives me goosebumps to hear since my dream is not a reality.

btw,I know a diehard Raiders fan who he has ALMOST every Raider game ever played on tape even pre season games going all the way back to the 70's so if you want,I can give you his email to where you can order games from him.

something i would like you to do is to order the first pre season game they had when they moved back to oakland and then their first regular season game there as well. Its fun watching all the OAKLAND fans get all excited about the Raiders moving back to Oakland in that video. If you order quickly,you and your brother can watch those two games and get a sneak peak at what its going to be like when the Rams play their first game back in LA against the cowboys in two weeks. yahoo!!!!

 

what a way for the Rams to open up their first game in LA to win it. LA deserved this win.I so much wanted to see them win their first game back.

 

being back in LA has already paid off for the Rams. they fed off the crowd noise and won both of their games at home.they would have packed it in in st louis after the opening kickoff.

 

I know the Rams' owners are excited. They're now ranked as the third most valuable franchise after the Cowboys and Patriots.

 

That is why I have fun laughing at the stupidity of a lot of people around who a year ago when it became obvious they were leaving,they were SOOOOO sure they were staying,that even though i tried to explain to them that Kroneke had the law on his side,that he could move them if he wanted to and the value of his team would at least double from the move to LA,it just went through one ear and out the other and they could not see the obvious.they must have been smoking weed the fact they could not see the obvious that even a child could have figured out and they were so sure they were staying.

 

rams are 3-1 better than I expected.could be in the playoffs their first year back in LA.

 

Yea but the games are ugly.