Are humans....

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, various posters have derailed it's original intention. It's back on track now.
     
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    That makes no more sense than other ridiculously archaic bromides.

    The question was, "are humans animals".

    We can tell that humans are animals by examining their characteristics and noting their common ancestry.

    If you think humans aren't animals, you need to produce some sort of evidence.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think humans are animals but only in some debates, when it suits their argument.
     
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    Well the difference between Animals and Humans is plainly obvious.
    Humans know right from wrong, Murder as opposed to Personal defence, Moral codes as opposed to Animals being Amoral and have not those concepts as far as higher cognitive functionality.

    We both are composed of the same biological materials and have similarities, and of course Evolution says we are Animals all, however Humans are held to a higher standard and accountability.
     
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    lol. But, this isn't really a joke.

    Humans don't get to change to be something other than animals. We're born as are others of the animal family. And, that's what we've got.
     
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    These characteristics don't distinguish us from other animals.

    There are other animals who have similar codes of conduct - notions of right from wrong.

    This may divide us from other animals as a matter of degree (humans have more of something), but it doesn't define a line.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Correct. Have you read the thread?
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Amazing how we're deemed to be held to a higher standard but certain groups and people act worse than animals.
     
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    Well, I don't know of any animal that burns swastikas, marches with tiki torches, kills their kind if they have a loving consensual same gender relationship, heap hate on others due to religious differences, etc.

    What do you think we need to do to get rid of that kind of behavior?

    Don't tell me religion. There are churches, Mosques and synagogues working against those who so threaten our citizens. But, it's been a long, slow process.
     
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    You are now equating sexual fetishes with genetic attraction.

    Fetishes are learned behavior.

    There is a distinct difference.

    As far as what society considers normal is concerned that is not a constant. At one point society condoned old men marrying girls who has barely reached puberty.

    If you really want to know the answer to your question you need consider the CONTEXT in which it applies.

    Yes, we humans are just another animal species. Yes, most species do have members that engage in homosexual behavior. Yes, some species do "flock together" while others don't. You can find both "flocking" and "loner" behavior in the same species. Elephant females "flock" while the males are "loners".

    So all of the above is found in human behavior. We are a social species that engages in a range of behavior that can be found to have counterparts in the animal world.
     
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    Without logic, humans are animals.

    Without emotion, humans are machines.

    Humans have both, which makes them neither.
     
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    I'd say 99.999% of the time we copulate because it feels good, reproduction is rarely the goal. If there wasn't a physical and mental gratification connection to sex we wouldn't do it.
     
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    humans know right from wrong? animals rarely kill others of their own species let alone go on murderous genocidal rampages of their own kind. Other than Chimpanzees I can't think of another animal that cares less for it's own than humans.
     
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    what is normal is dictated by the society you live in... pedophilia is illegal but why is it still legal for children to still get married in every US state?...culture decides what is normal and what is deviant...
     
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    Not completely accurate and not an indicator of the majority of civilization.
    Atrocities have occurred and mostly along lines of ideology, Religion, and plain old biologic / Medical reasons hitherto undiagnosed.

    Most people are NOT committing atrocities and mass murder and serial killings that are sensationalized and made to seem more prevalent that reality shows.
     
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    Define children, and where are children getting married ?

    Please give actual factual examples, fatuous open statements are disingenuous even mendacious.
     
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    Duplicate post.
     
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    strangely sometimes they are friends, there are even examples of cross species adoptions...
    and there is also joint advantage of defense from predators, hanging out with a herd of Cape Buffalo is a good survival technique for a herd of Zebra...being chummy with Giraffes who see danger coming long before anything else does because of their height is also advantageous for survival...there are many instances of mutually symbiotic relationships between species..
     
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    it's your country and you don't know your own laws, well that's disappointing
     
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    You made the statement, not I so the burden of proof is on you, you live outside of the U.S. ?
    So how would you know ?

    Define Children ?
    Where are children getting married ?
     
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    While it can't be denied that crows/ravens are incredibly smart animals, I wouldn't call what's demonstrated in the experiment 'logic.' I stole this from one of the comments:

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    3/28/14 7:34pm


    Just because a bird got it right once doesn't mean that they understand the task, since they could have gotten it right by random chance. That's why each crow got multiple trials with each experiment. When the data from multiple trials was combined, each bird performed at chance. Half the time they got it right, half the time they got it wrong. If they truly understood the task, they'd perform well throughout, or alternatively, they could improve with each successive trial due to learning. That didn't happen. From the text of the paper:

    Experiment 6: U-Tube. All birds performed at chance levels, dropping on average 48.9% of stones into the connected tube over 20 trials (binomial test, p = 0.79). They showed no signs of learning which tube would bring the reward within reach over the course of the experiment, performing worse in later trials due to increasing tendencies to side bias and repeatedly drop items into one tube rather than switching between both tubes "

    Instinct is a powerful mechanism, having had millions of years to acheive perfection. But its still just instinct.
     
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    It is a bit more complicated than that, birds are highly successful adaptive creatures, while intelligence is negligible, they are able to adapt and exhibit behaviour that seems to favor intelligence over mere instinct as those birds that can talk, and recent research shows it is not merely mimic and a bit more complex as recent animal behavior research shows.
     
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    You took a SINGLE experiment OUT OF CONTEXT!

    That was the only experiment that the crows could not figure out because they were not supplied with sufficient information to solve it.

    That you have to reach that far exposes desperation.

    Do you need more examples of animal intelligence and logical problem solving?

    http://theconversation.com/are-animals-as-smart-or-as-dumb-as-we-think-they-are-18986

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/55870/8-animal-kingdoms-most-clever-problem-solvers

     
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    Wow, this is a BIG DEAL for you, isn't it?

    Its not, for me. You can have this one.
     
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