Are the "Birthers" right? Was The Obama born in kenya?

WRONG...The Natural Born means according to Natural Law and Natural Law states that to be natural born, you must have 2 citizen parents and not have a divided allegiance, like Obama had!

 

i agree. even though the meat of this caper lies in the forged documents, the supremes must define natural born. i can't even get an answer out of marco rubio himself. in a normal world, it would be talked about. no, there's something happening here. keep up the good work KBO ! there is a real heated discussion about this very thing at dr. goldcoinsezes (dr conspiracy).

incidentally, the poll above is pretty close to the national averages. also note that the question wasn't even about eligibility, but nativity.
what a great story about to come around in the media once again. i keep thinking that, like those game shows, the audience usually gets it right.

 

LOL.......Americans all grew up knowing how wrong you are. We all know that anyone who was born in the United States could aspire to grow up and be elected President.

September? On the fast track there....

 

Among anthropologists there are questions being raised as to Obama's real father. Jaw and
cheekbone configuration not likely from the Kenyan named as father.

 

nope. nowhere in natural law, US law, or english common law(which US law is based)does that definition exist.

 

what forged documents? and SCOTUS has already defined natural born citizen. they defined it in wong kim ark.

nobody is talking about it because to all but a very few deranged retards, everyone knows what natural born citizen means because they were taught it's meaning back in 6th grade civics.

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his father could have been a martian. it's totally irrelevant. he was born on US soil making him a natural born citizen and eligible for president.

 

Please... where can I find this imaginary "natural law?"

 

Show some proof that just being born here, makes you a natural born citizen!

 

1) US v. Wong Kim Ark is the only SCOTUS case that has ever been used as precedential for the definition of natural-born citizen by any subsequent court. To whit:

2) Minor v. Happersett not only offers no definition for natural born citizen at all, it has never once been cited by any subsequent court for the "definition" that birthers hallucinate it contains.

3) It is true that Justice Gray never explicitly declared Wong a natural-born citizen. But then again, Justice Waite never declared Virginia Minor a natural-born citizen either.

4) At the time of the Constitution's framing, only a single definition of natural-born citizen existed in the entire English language. That was the definition of English Common Law. To whit:

"Anyone born on national soil who is not the child of a foreign diplomat or alien army in hostile occupation is a natural-born citizen/subject."

5. More than a dozen different birther cases have received judgment on their merits. All of them declare President Obama to be a natural-born US citizen.

6. The US Constitution recognizes only two classes of citizen; naturalized and natural-born. There is no third class. The similarity in the two adjectives is not accidental.

7. At least the following Presidents (post grandfather clause) have been dual citizens: Truman, Tyler, Taft, Arthur, Eisenhower, FDR and JFK. Kennedy was actually a triple-citizen of the US, Ireland and France. Dual citizenship has never disqualified anybody from natural-born citizenship as long as one of them is natural-born US.

8. Your quotation of Vattel is from an edition that did not exist until 10 years too late to have been able of influencing the Constitution. The words "natural-born citizen" never passed his lips or his pen.

 

rahl this type of language doesn't phase birthers any more, however, you guys have always been good about not making allegations of racism, which is good.

but you wouldn't like it if people called you names for your beliefs.

to wit: all but a very few deranged retards.

 

ok. US vs. wong kim ark, ankeny v daniels.
and no document expert has ever declared it a forgery. the ultimate authority of vital records for the state of hawaii(the department of health)has verified it's authenticity.

your argument has lost in court over 150 times. you maintain a perfect record of fail.

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it's not intended to phase birthers. it's simply an accurate description

if I was as detatched from reality as birthers, I would expect to be called on it.

accurately describing birthers.

 

i just love all this lively discussion and even some new posters are dropping in to our tiny little sub basement, miscellaneous section of other, just to see what's new in the birther world, where something new and exciting happens just about every day. you guys are the best.

i am so happy and proud to be an American, and semi-professional birther in this exciting and critical political era.

 

nothing new or exciting is happening. these are the same debunked retard birther theories being rehashed.

 

Ask anyone born here with 2 non-citizen parents for their passport. The passport will state that s/he is a citizen of the US.

 

There is only one court decision which squarely interprets the "natural born citizen" clause as applied to a candidate for president, which is Ankeny v. Daniels, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Indiana Ct. App. 2009, ). The Ankeny court ruled that the citizenship of President Obama's father is irrelevant:

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

Since then other courts have agreed with and cited Ankeny v. Daniels interpretation of Wong Kim Ark.

Besides that all Americans know that anyone born in the United States can aspire to grow up and be elected President. We all learned it growing up.

Only after Obama was elected did you- or any of your kind suddenly 'discover' a new definition of NBC.

But the voters, the Electoral College and Congress all know and confirmed that they knew in both elections of Barack Obama- much to the horror and dismay of Birthers.

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There is only one court decision which squarely interprets the "natural born citizen" clause as applied to a candidate for president, which is Ankeny v. Daniels, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Indiana Ct. App. 2009, ). The Ankeny court ruled that the citizenship of President Obama's father is irrelevant:

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

Since then other courts have agreed with and cited Ankeny v. Daniels interpretation of Wong Kim Ark.

Besides that all Americans know that anyone born in the United States can aspire to grow up and be elected President. We all learned it growing up.

Only after Obama was elected did you- or any of your kind suddenly 'discover' a new definition of NBC.

But the voters, the Electoral College and Congress all know and confirmed that they knew in both elections of Barack Obama- much to the horror and dismay of Birthers.

 

rahl, will you at least concede that fogbow has faked birth certificates and punked some of the key players ? i mean, that's common knowledge right ??
isn't that a bit odd. why all that effort about nothing. that's not what adult professionals do... unless there's a good reason.

 

I've never been to the fogbow. nothing in your post has anything to do with what I stated in mine.

it continues to suck to be a birther

 

are you a birther ? then how could you know for sure....

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are you a birther ? then how could you know for sure....

 

We do not have to be clinically schizophrenic to know that it sucks to be schizophrenic.

 

listen to what you are writing j.

 

I don't suck. so by definition, I can't be a birther.

 

then how could you know for sure. all people suck when they first start out. it's human nature, by definition.

 

because it sucks to be a birther.

what is your evidence all people suck when they first start out?

 

breasts...

 

moron....