Are the French correct on cannabis?

No kidding - when one gets out to see how the civilized world deals with Pot - what we do don't make no sense.

 

Excellent commentary. I firmly stand for maximum liberty* and full responsibility for one's decisions. You have the freedom to do whatever you want with your body, but you have no right to demand others pick up the pieces when your life falls apart.

*Obviously, maximum freedom conducive to a civilized society, a person does not have the freedom to commit murder.

 

~ Look at Amsterdam.The Dutch have embraced cannabis use .

 

It just makes no sense. Alcohol is the biggest social danger. Killing way more than c-19. But Congress loves alcohol so they protect it way over the US economy and European economies agree!!

 

~ What I see in California regarding cannabis is irresponsible use - same as alcohol . Too many are using and driving.

 

Yes and with no social problems because of that policy. The Dutch are the most practical society in the world!!!

if it affects public safety then legislate. How many people have died of pot on the road compared to alcohol?

 

~ The Dutch are very likely a much more moderate and sane society than USA. They are also a small population.
Auto accidents involving cannabis are on the rise in America. Same legislation applied - driving under the influence / intoxicated in public etc.

 

In a free society one is allowed to risk a reasonable amount of harm to oneself.

Utilitarian justification for law "What will increase happiness for the collective" - while sounding good on the surface "If it saves one life"
Is not valid justification for law - of its own volition - yet more and more it gets treated that way.

If one disagrees - OK - Free country but - we better ban skiing tomorrow - would that not save one life ? dangerous activity - and what societal purpose does it serve - one can get exercise in other ways.

Boating ? forget it - one could drown - Driving a car ?? humor - one of the biggest killers. In fact - one should probably not rise from bed in the morning as one might fall and break neck.

Fast fact -- The risk of harm to a US Citizen from Terrorism - is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "Walking" !?

 

Driving on Pot is no big deal - contrary to the State Sponsored Propaganda Narrative - a carry over from Refer Madness.

There is no significant difference in studies testing people who are high vs not high - in ability to operate a motor vehicle. Nor is there a significant statistical difference with respect to accidents.

 

~ I don't know what "studies" you are referring to. U.S. & European studies show cannabis reduced reaction time, space and distance judgement , and vision acuity. California studies show THC use greatly increased accident rates. People who ignore there facts often end up in a court-ordered DUI driver education class , in jail or on the end of a civil lawsuit.
"If you want to use don't abuse ! " is the motto.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/does-marijuana-use-affect-driving

 

Reduced by what - and under what conditions - how much used and so on - followed by a valid statement of "Significance"

Notice the .gov and the www."DRUG ABUSE" in the address ? aka - "Bad Science Central" - Political Arm of the State Sponsored Propaganda Machine - Full Stop.

Not that the info may not be valid - but one would need to sift through the details -and I guarantee it would be full of faux pa's - and me swearing.

I have kept abreast on this issue for decades - from the perspective of a Research Scientist - with no lack of ability and experience in Stats and higher Math.

From Post 99: " Read an article not to long ago where Alcohol was said to increase the risk of accident by 70 Times - The risk for Pot was 1-2 as in 1 to 2 times the risk.

Ummm ... OK .. so what is it 1 = Zero higher risk than someone who has not smoked pot .. so .. a titch more than that - that titch being statistically insignificant - not representing correlation , nevermind causation "

So yes Look at that - there is a difference - A difference of F-All.

The EPA/ or similar political body with an agenda - like in the case of second hand smoke - would find some way to justify 1.5 x .. and put out Ad's stating 50% increase in accident risk after smoking pot.

Which is completely false. Similar tactics w/r to second hand smoke were ruled "BAD Science" in a US court of Law .. but that did not stop the EPA from leaving these falsehoods on their website - probably still there as we speak.

So yeah - forgive me for not wanting to subject myself to pain by clicking on your link.

 

Last year, a neighbor asked me to hold $300 for him so he had it to pay movers in the coming two months. I agreed to keep it so he didn't spend it on pot. One day, he came to ask for $20 so I gave it to him. The following day, he asked for another $20 so I gave it to him. Finally, he came around, angry as hell, demanding all his money. I told him that I couldn't give it to him because he asked me to hold it SO he wouldn't spend it on pot. He got more ticked off and started swearing at me so I gave him the remaining money and asked him to leave.

Again, I don't have any addictions so I cannot relate on a personal level, but it still baffles me how someone that gets about $1,700/month does NOT EVER have money. It didn't help that he has a piss-poor attitude on top of his general MJ hazed existence.

Edited to add: Every other pot smoker I've known has been super mellow.

 

~ Sounds like that guy needs Zoloft and therapy - not pot. Stay away from people like that .

 

He is not in my life at all now. Anybody that isn't positive and uplifting has to go.

 

Don't see it.

I mean, if you're going to use 3 word responses at least be right.

 

Very good post, and your sound reasoning applies to all sorts of things. Universal healthcare and stuff like that comes to mind.

 

3 words is not the norm. It is usually 3 sentences. Accuracy is around 80%. But I guess all that is a moot point if he is on ignore. No big deal.

 

I don't ignore people, even people making dumb claims, I only ignore trolls.

 

Utilitarianism is at plague proportions in this nation - much of which is fallacious utilitarianism - not even a good Utilitarian argument.

This justification for law - even when sound on a Utilitarian basis - is an anathema to the founding principles - as this justification allows for an end run around one of the primary safeguards put in place by the founders to protect essential liberty.

 

Facial twitches? I've been using cannabis since 1966 and I don't have any of those problems, aside from "lack of motivation" when I'm under the influence, which is why it isn't a violence-inducing substance.

 

Except in those whose brain chemistry makes them prone to acts of violence. Such as the individual in the state of Florida who attempted to devour the face of another individual after having used marijuana.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/us/florida-cannibal-attack/index.html

 

From your link:

"The department has also sought the assistance of an outside forensic toxicology reference laboratory, which has confirmed the absence of 'bath salts,' synthetic marijuana and LSD," the statement said."

LSD may not be detectable after 5 hours or so, at least not in urine or blood tests. He may have taken LSD on top of whatever else he took, cannabis, alcohol, whatever. And alcohol shortens the period of detection for LSD. It basically kills those molecules. When I first read about this, my first assumption was PCP. That sh!t will make you crazy.

 

80%???

 

Ironic.

Also...

Liberal definition of a troll: Someone who expresses themselves logically & blows liberal hysteria to smithereens