Are we headed for war with Iran?

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is war with Iran nearly inevitable?

  1. It seems like that is where we are headed

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  2. Probably not. I think this is all a negotiating ploy

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  3. I think it is a negotiating ploy, but fear some miscalculation with unplanned consequences

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    The Pakistan power-bloc involve a very different breed of Muslim, as we have observed for decades.

    Pakistan is actually ruled by an elite, wealthy, very powerful military clique which runs things reminiscent of the way the British Army was run over a hundred years ago. Very snobbish, very "clubbish", very well-educated (in the West, of course), and very ruthless. These guys may 'hit the prayer rug' like Muslims do, but THEY DON'T GET LOST IN THE 'PART'.... 8)

    They're priviliged, exclusive, and abusive as hell toward any but their own kind, rigidly structured according to organization and rank! And, they're past-masters at knowing exactly how to extort BILLIONS of dollars from gullible morons in 'the West'... particularly American Democrats. Their treatment of Hillary Clinton was a masterpiece of derision and scorn even after she shovelled billions at them, and their overall attitude toward women in positions of power is perhaps best remembered in how they treated their female prime minister, Banazir Bhutto, who was assassinated in 2007.
     
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    Sure thing. Theres no reason to post them because you will just deny it, no matter how obvious it is. But I will say Clapper was one, so was Pelosi. Both said Trump was doing the wrong thing by leaving Syria.
     
  3. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    Some individual French military units are among the best in the world, but France as a nation? Honestly, a strong case could be made that France never did recover from Waterloo and the fall of Napoleon! That was the END of the French Empire.

    After that, the French were soundly defeated (again) in the Franco-Prussian War, by the Prussians (Germans) in 1871. They were effectively defeated in World War I -- "saved" only by an alliance of Great Britain and the United States. And, they were completely smashed in World War II by Nazi Germany.

    They've been in what amounts to a national 'mental depression' for 204 years, and there's no sign that they'll ever come out of it now....

    No, Aleks, Trump won't suspend the election (*Sigh!*). Think! If these senseless, rabid Democrats are moving heaven and earth to have him thrown out of office now over NOTHING, what do you think they might do if he tried to suspend a presidential election?! He'd be out on his ear in a heartbeat (and probably in a federal prison awaiting trial) -- and rightly so!

    But, if there is a war with Iran, all I can say is that it is LONG OVERDUE. Plus, it could be proposed that wiping these Islamo-Nazis out would actually be a compassionate thing to do -- quickly dispatching them all to their beloved "Islamo-heaven" where they can enjoy the oft-mentioned "72 virgins and 28 young boys".... :psychoitc:
     
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    Yes, it has been poor leadership and leadership structure that has been their Achilles heel. They produce some good men and some exceptional equipment.
    The organization of their fighter squadrons at the beginning of ww2 was a perfect example. They had great dewotine fighter planes and probably some great fighter pilots but they were made ineffectual by poor leadership and leadership structure.
     
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    The French historically have been able to fight well, but the French governments that have emerged after their revolution have not inspired much confidence or fighting spirit - unless you count the yellow jackets. ;-)
     
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    The corrupt bipartisan political class and its Deep State wants war. Trump does not.

    Iran should try very hard to avoid giving our military any excuse to retaliate. That carrier is bait.
     
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    I agree with you. It's an absurdly irrational idea, and one that would just involve us in another senseless war in the Middle East & exacerbate the hatreds toward us from that region. It's an incredibly stupid idea & one I deeply hope we don't get sucked into by our current shallow leadership.
     
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    N. Korea fired off two short-range missiles last Thursday. N. Korea had launched several medium-range missiles just five days earlier.

    Trump dismissed these missile launches, said he's "not concerned". John Bolton claims they were clearly in violation of UN sanctions.

    What if it was Iran that fired off several short-range missiles just five days after firing off medium-range missiles. Would Trump say that he's 'not concerned' ?

    There's a lot more going on between Saudi Arabia, Israel and the US than any of us realize.
     
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    Only is Pence becomes president and removes Bolton's leash.
     
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    If the "Rocket Man" experience demonstrates anything,
    "Blowing of Steam" diffuses the situation.


    What did 24 years of Clinton - Bush, Jr. - Obama do?
    How about the adventures of Sec. Of State, Hillary :rolleyes:
     
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    Maybe the most damning comment that can be made about the French is that even AFTER World War I and its convincing demonstration of what air power can do, they built the gigantic "Maginot Line" fortification, which anybody, including the Germans, could fly right over.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I think war with Iran would be one of the worst mistakes this country could ever make.
     
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    I agree
    And fortunately trump has backed off his bluster

    In my opinion, there were a combination of factors at play
    Advisors who wanted to intimidate, or even punish Iran (Bolton)

    Trump’s own need to look like a tough guy... especially after coziness with Putin and Kim

    But fundamentally Trump is a bar bully.... he likes to puff out his chest, threaten and call people names.... but just is not into actually throwing a punch.

    I cannot believe his recent statement re-assuring iran that he does not want regime change!!! At the end of the day, all he wants is what they already agreed to: no nukes
     
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    I agree war with Iran would be a mess.
    That said pacifism has had a horrible impact on human history.
    Because of this we have santions to try to persuade counties onto paths that make them profitable members on the international community.
    It's my opinion that to be such a member the Iranian government needs to stop supporting terrorism and not seek more destructive weaponry including nukes.
    They do that then we should welcome them, normaize relations and eliminate the sanctions.

    I'd oppose any preemptive actions against iran.

    If they fire at us though, it is game over for the Iranian government.
    The first strikes take out the government and their military leadership.
    Then we destroy their air defence network along with their airforce and their ballistic missiles. And any armored vehicles.

    Then we walk away and let the Iranian people figure out how to run their country.
     
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    Seems to me we have tried that approach numerous times
    We tried to chase the communists out of viet nam, and let locals figure it out
    We helped chase the soviets out of Afghanistan, and let the locals figure it out
    We thought chasing the iraqi out of Kuwait migh help, but it did not
    We thought getting rid of saddam would free the iraqi people and let democracy bloom, and it was a mess,
    We tried regime change in Libya, and that has been a mess
    We thought maybe we could change syria.... and it is a mess with lots of refugees fleeing to europe

    Generally, creating a national basket case and walking away has not worked out well for us

    Over all, iran has not seemed predisposed to attacking us without provocation

    As far as terrorism is concerned.... as far as i am aware, iran has not attacked us
    Which terrorism are you referring to?
     
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    It would be a 'mistake' ONLY if, for some reason, the non-nuclear thermobaric bombs we drop on those Islamo-Nazis morons fail to explode....

    [​IMG]. :twisted: -- "Oh yeah...!"
     
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    They support Hamas a known terrorist organization.

    I don't think Iran wants a conflict either.

    Lastly what i am suggesting is no ground troops just a destruction of their leaders and their offensive military capability. No invasion at all. Just eliminating them as any sort of threat.
    This would not be about winning a war only eliminating a threat. Which i don't believe they are at the moment.
    All this in the context of them shooting first.
     
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    As far as i can tell, hamas is primarily an anti israel organization
    I do not think it is worth war with iran because iran supports an anti israe” organization
     
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    Will that stop them from supporting hamas?
    Which threat will we have eliminated?
    We both agree that they have not attacked us and probably will not strike first. What we will certainly do is to turn iran into an implacable enemy who will support asymmetrical threats to us all over the world for the foreseeable future. No doubt they have, or could easily create the materials for a dirty bomb to smuggle into NY. the whole idea that we can quickly and easily neuter a country is laughable.
     
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    If the US were to fight another war for Israel, this time with Iran, we will only create numerous new enemies and strengthen the resolve of existing ones.

    The Muslims have long memories and generations of Americans will pay dearly unless Trump stands up to the Israeli lobbies and craven war mongers so eager to send someone else to fight wars for their entertainment.
     
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    71% of American Jews voted for Hillary, so don't blame us.
     
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    I know and appreciate the fact that the vast majority of America's Jews oppose Trump, oppose war with Iran and are very loyal to America.

    Unfortunately, AIPAC & the numerous, right wing Israeli lobbies who compose a small minority of Jews are overwhelmingly influential in pushing for war with Iran and loyal to Israel over the US.


    "Most US Jews oppose Trump. He was cheered at AIPAC. Awkward?"
    https://www.jta.org/2018/03/06/politics/us-jews-oppose-trump-cheered-aipac-awkward
    EXCERPT "A poll last year by the American Jewish Committee showed that 77 percent of American Jews disapproved of President Donald Trump’s job performance. American Jews had voted 70 percent to 25 percent in favor of Hillary Clinton over Trump. With the exception of the Orthodox, majorities of all the major Jewish denominations voted for Clinton."CONTINUED


    "Jews Protest AIPAC Conference, Slam Support for Israel"
    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...ce-Slam-Support-for-Israel-20170326-0028.html


    EXCERPT "Jewish protesters marched Sunday outside the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, APICAC, conference in Washington as they slammed the lobbying firm for supporting policies of the right-wing Israeli government."CONTINUED


     
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    Israel has been pushing America to goto war against Iran for 40 years. It hasn't happened yet. All this talk is most likely saber rattling unless one side pushes the wrong buttons.
     
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    The revolutionaries who formed the Iran Islamic Republic invaded the United States Embassy and took all of our embassy personnel captive and kept them for 444 days until the threat of what Reagan would do to Iran made them release our people. Deny that!
     

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