Are you a white nationalist?

No, that's a nationalist white. In the term "white nationalist", white is a qualifier to the word nationalist. Just like a Tibetan nationalist wants Tibetans to have their independant country, a white nationalist want white people to have their independant country.

 

No, you do not get to redifine words. It means exactly what I said. If you want it to mean racially intolerant white nationalist then you will have to say the entire sentience, not dishonestly try to redefine words to mean what they do not.

 

I'm not redefining anything. It's the sense it's used in today.

Let's stay with my example of a Tibetan nationalist.

Does that mean a Tibetan separatist, or does that mean a Chinese nationalist who just happens to live in Tibet?

 

It is a person who advocates for the independence of Tibet.

 

Exactly.
So what's your problem with me saying that a white nationalist is a person who advocates for the independence of white people?

 

Because it is incorrect. Perhaps you should take an english class.

 

Even civic nationalism is tribalistic at its core. Progressives don't differentiate between tribalism and racism. They view them immorally equal. Any attempt to differentiate would be considered semantics. It is an attempt to excuse your immoral views and pretend that you are not racist. Such is their religion. Praise be to globalism!

Civic nationalism is a part of the conservative ideology.
Republicans who have abandoned any form of nationalism and embraced globalism, are probably corporatists and are in the pocket of large international corporations. They are not nationalists.

Pro-war republics who appear nationalistic are actually imperialists. They are not nationalists as they do not respect the sovereignty of foreign nations.

 

.. .you should use a dictionary. Plus it's cheaper!

 

trib·al·ism
/ˈtrībəˌlizəm/
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noun

1. the state or fact of being organized in a tribe or tribes.
   • DEROGATORY
     the behavior and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group.

Civic nationalism
Political ideology

Civic nationalism, also known as liberal nationalism, is a form of nationalism identified by political philosophers who believe in an inclusive form of nationalism that adheres with traditional liberal values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights.

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Civic nationalism - Wikipedia

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What part of "traditional liberal values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights" is racist or immoral? What "tribe or social group" is that, precisely?

 

In civic nationalism you treat people within the nation as individuals. You still have a large social group. That social group is your nation itself and its members are its citizens. You put the needs of your social group over others. You put the USA before other nations.

To a progressive, that is tribalism. Unless you accept open borders and other globalist ideals, you are a tribalistic thinker.

 

Opposition to open borders is an economic issue. Its no more or less 'tribalist' than if I were to refuse to help fix the potholes in front of your house before I helped fix the ones in front of mine.

 

No.

 

That is a libertarian or possibly conservative stance, not a nationalist stance.

It's like a family unit. You prioritize the needs of your family over others because you have an obligation to your family and they have an obligation to you. This makes the family unit strong.
Nationalism is the extension of that unit to include your community and/or nation.

In extreme forms of nationalism the obligation to country supercedes your obligation to family. In moderate forms like conservativism, family is priotized.

Libertarians priotize the individual over nation but do not oppose the nation concept. Libertarians can both oppose and support a near open border concept. Cheap labor may or may not be to your individual benefit.

 

Consider it done. That is our current law and practice.

 

No it is absolutely not always racist.

 

20th-century nationalist regimes

• Adolf Hitler (Germany).
• Plaek Pibulsonggram (Thailand).
• Chiang Kai-shek (China).
• Sun Yat-sen (China).
• Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (Turkey).
• ... (more items)

List of figures in nationalism - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_figures_in_nationalism

Zionism is also nationalistic.

 

Open borders =\= cheap labor. Cheap labor can be acheived with controlled immigration (and no, Im not advocating for cheap immigrant labor). Open borders (+ social safety nets) amounts to sharing the communal wealth of your nation with all the international poor. It degrades the quality of national social safety nets until they dry up entirely, and our system becomes just as failed as the systems those poor were fleeing. Its entirely an economic issue.

 

If I show you five bags of all white beans, have I proven that All beans are white?

Not all nationalists are racist but all racists are ethno-nationalists. Also, I have never heard of a racist being a civic-nationalist.

 

Yes but it prioritizes your nations economy over the economies and economic well being of everyone else. You are putting American citizens before the well being of other people. Or do you not care about other American citizens and only care about the nation in so far as it affects yourself individually?

Perhaps you don't define your tribe by race excluding others of varying ethnicities and races. Perhaps you define your tribe by certain values and ideals. It is tribalism none the less.

 

Then the constitution and all our laws are 'tribal'

If you think over-broadening the terminology like that is going to suddenly make americans feel racist and change their ways, prepare to be disappointed. It doesn't matter how much you say 'its wrong' to care more about your fellow countrymen than people who ruined their own nations. People aren't just going to let all the worlds poor come here and collapse our society. Self preservation is not 'tribalism', its just nature.

 

In really extreme forms the obligation to country supercedes everything, even you obligation to yourself. This is fascism, the word itself being derived from the Roman symbol for their courts, a bound bundle with an an ax central and symbolizing the strength derived from the Unity of Wills within the fascist nation.

 

I prefer patrotism.

 

Israel is a good example of nationalism. There is a difference in Israel between citizenship and nationality.

Is "Israeli" a Nationality? - The Israel Democracy Institute
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/6516
For Americans, the definition of national affiliation is straightforward: it goes hand in hand with citizenship. If you are an American citizen, you are also American by nationality. The same applies to the French, Germans, and many others. In Israel, however, citizenship and nationality …

 

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