Arizona: Muslim murders his wife and two daughters, Honor

I don't believe you.

 

Why were Albanians in detroit instead of albania?

 

It might be true!

 

It might not, Honor killing is not a Christian thing.

 

The albanian honor killings are more like Italian family vendettas.
They were not killing their own wives and daughters.

Also in Albanian honor killings it's seen as more honorable to target the male members of the offending family, not as honorable to target the females.

Not only that but the Catholic church has never condoned this, and has been trying to stop it.

I don't really see much similarity there to muslim honor killings.

 

Two of them in an Albanian Catholic Church, during mass. One in Southfield, one in Rochester, both northern Detroit suburbs.

Oh, and I could give a sh*t what you believe. First time I had ever heard of honor killings, it was these killings in the 1970's, 80's and 90's. I'm almost 60 years old, and I remember there were nine honor related shootings between 1970 and 1990. Until after 2003, we had zero honor related deaths among the Metro Detroit Muslim population. Then it changed, and we had a one or two, but not more than that.

Because we have a large immigrant population in Detroit, my parents included (from Malta). A lot of Albanians live in Oakland and Macomb Counties, immediately north of Detroit itself.

You are mostly correct, but they're still honor killings, and we had a couple of high school age girls killed in the 1980's for some family honor related b.s. But mostly you're correct, both on the nature of the honor killings and the Church's efforts to stop them (mostly falling on deaf ears). I also personally know of an "honor" related beating of a lady, a secretary at a customer of mine, and male friends of her's conducted...how shall I phrase it...an "extra-judicial/extra-legal" beat down of the perp and put this Albainian ****** in the hospital for a week. Strangely enough, it was never solved by the police or avenged by his clan.

 

I simply don't believe you,

Honor killings are something different.

Instead of bullsh-ting about some case.
Bring up the Albanian one and we can look at it.

I want to see how murdering a catholic restores family honor.

 

You really want to climb into bed with @Mac-7?

Half the country are atheists?



Half are traitors?

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I won't bother with the rest of @Mac-7's garbage. Do you guys get your jollies coming on the forum and spewing hateful comments with the intention of antagonizing liberals? IMO, you guys are poisoning the country in the same way I saw antiwar types poisoning the country fifty years ago.

 

How the hell would I know. Go ask them. All I know, first time I'd ever heard of "honor killings" were these, more than four decades ago.

One article I found was on this: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Honor_killings

Also this briefing paper from the European Parliament, specifically page 3, http://edz.bib.uni-mannheim.de/daten/edz-ma/ep/07/EST18859.pdf

And this masters thesis is about Albanian honor killings http://www.etd.ceu.hu/2011/xhaho_armela.pdf

this footnote at the bottom of the sixth page in:

 

And the fact you don't believe means exactly jack sh**. Hell, less than jack sh**.

 

LOLOLOL

Dude...They are friggin Muslim.

 

Not all Albanians - most are Eastern Rite Catholic.

And apparently you can't read:

 

I asked you to show me, and you obviously can't.
No Christian church offers honor in killing your family members.

 

Did I say the Church sanctioned it? No, I did not, so piss off. And if you bothered to read the two papers, which you did not, you would have seen this, plain as day:

 

That's a bunch of total bullshit.

Muslims commit 91% of honor killings worldwide.
Hindu are next.

And BTW, Muslims are allowed to kill their children, and their children's children.
The generic reason is for being un-Islamic.
and that is at the disgression of the father, and can be as trivial as not wearing a hijab.

 

Or speaking to a male non-relative, or becoming too Western. Fact is, though, Asian and Indonesian Muslims don't practice honor killing. Just Middle East and Eastern European, and some African Muslims. And it's still forbidden by the Quran (because it's murder), but that doesn't stop them from doing atrocities the Quran forbids. They do stuff for more trivial than not wearing a hijab. One local Muslim father had a sh*t fit because Muslim girls, in (mind you) a girls gym class, were wearing a Nike hijab (it's really a thing - look it up - Dick's Sporting Goods, Nordstroms, and Macy's sell them, among other places). I don't trust Islam any more than you do, but I don't trust Evangelical Christianity either.

And, by the way, it's "discretion", not "disgression".

 

It's practiced all over Islam, probably more in some places than others.
Pakistan is a major offender.
It's written in the sunnah, so all muslims have access to it.

 

It's not that I'm aware of, but it's been a few years since I studied the topic.

 

We are starting to see it more and more here in the states, and it is only going to get worse.
Teenage girls becoming to westernized. Trying to fit in at school.
Daddy still thinks he can sell them to whoever he pleases.

 

Don't forget Albania was under the subjugation of the Ottoman muslims for several hundred years. Huge numbers of Turks settled there.
Even as late as the Nineteenth Century, parts of Albania practically looked like Islamic Turkey, in dress and architecture.
Probably a lot of muslim blood mixed into the population.

Greece was lucky to escape this Islamicization (a long story in history we don't need to go into).

 

But what type of honor killings? It's not like the muslim ones.

The muslim-style honor killings seem to have the least amount of honor, if an honor killing can be said to entail any honor.

In muslim honor killings they'll even kill their daughters or sisters if they're raped, "to save them the disgrace".

I'm actually not entirely unsympathetic to the concept of honor killings, but the muslim version takes it to a level that has absolutely no honor. Seems more like an excuse to kill the women, because they're causing you embarrassment, or are risking causing embarrassment.

 

In an honor killing you restore honor to your family by killing someone who has defiled the religion..

Christianity has no such issues.
There is no honor in killing your family because they defiled the religion.

 

Martha Stewart's "the rules"?

 

No, thats called a lie

And your credibity just went down on this board

 

I don't think it was technically a lie, but it was misleading and disingenuous, done in the spirit of desperation and intellectual dishonesty.