Arm the teachers...seriously?

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wonder how many weapons this lady is carrying? Let's find out.

     
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    You suggest I'm talking about a fantasy situation, then you present a world where killers can't get their hands on weapons.

    I'm not the one with the fantasy scenario.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one is going to force you to defend yourself. You're welcome to try and hide if that's what you want to do.
     
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    Why not try to make it harder?
     
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    Shame on you for wanting educated women to have to do this. And your naïveté that that is the solution
     
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    Pray tell, harder than what exactly? What is the standard that is being utilized as a unit of measurement in this case?
     
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    Shame on me for wanting women to have the ability to stop anyone who tries to harm them?

    Shame on you for demanding women remain defenseless.

    How many times am I going to have to explain that NO ONE IS GOING TO FORCE YOU TO CARRY A GUN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
     
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    Pray tell. When one if engaged in the business of being an educator is there not, at least on some level, an obligation for the individual to actually educate themselves on a matter to ensure that all facts and pertinent information on the matter are had, rather than nonsense and hyperbole? If one is an educator, do they not owe it to not only themselves, but also their students, to actually be right when talking about a particular subject?
     
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    You mean like in Belgium, UK, France, Germany and other places where it's extremely hard, yet mass murder still occurs?
     
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    Educated women would do well to consider the true cost of their idealism. What do you make of the woman in the video? Do you think she’s uneducated? Do you disrespect her? Would you feel safer or less safe if you were in a room with her?
     
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    Then why not want nurses, secretaries, doctors, lawyers dancers to carry....let’s not try to control guns
     
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    We want anyone who has the ability and desire to be able to legally carry despite their professions.

    Many nurses, secretaries, doctors and lawyers carry firearms every day already.
     
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    Oh goody! The Wild West is back.
     
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    There are 17 million people in the US, at a minimum, carrying firearms on a daily basis.

    That does not include all of the states where a license is not required.

    What we do know is that people who have a license to carry a firearm commit far less crime than people who do not have a license to carry a firearm.

    Not even close.

    Your "Wild West" baloney was used in the 80's when concealed carry licenses started being issued, and it has never happened.
     
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    That's a point on which both sides of the debate can agree.

    Where the pro gun side of the debate & the anti gun side disagree is on how we go about making it harder to get a firearm.
    The anti gun group wants additional, government mandated gun bans and government confiscation of private property (i.e. banned firearms).

    The pro gun group simply wants the existing 20,000 gun laws enforced which, as we have seen when knowingly ignored frequently precipitate grotesque tragedies.

    The reality is that there are countless millions of firearms already throughout America, "The Genie is already out of the Bottle" and cannot be put back in.
    Additionally, I imagine America's collection of violent gangs like MS 13 would be delighted to have a government mandated gun ban and subsequent Black Market opportunity from which to profit.
     
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    Then the best available advice that can be provided in this case is to simply get used to it.
     
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    Yes. And on the part of the post you are responding to I ask how knowing technical aspects of guns, types of bullets,trigger mechanism, gun categories... help us in a discussion about how a person confronting a psycho with an assault weapon would react? Why, in your mind, am I required to know all of this minutia before I can participate in a debate about human actions?

    You start answering the question by saying "Easily" and then you just change the subject.

    Whether on purpose or due to lack of concentration you didn't answer. So obviously you are conceding my point.
     
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    Please consider that anyone who is issued a CWP has undergone quite an extensive & detailed background check & is therefore among the more stable & lawful members of society.
    They are not known for biting people or being among the tin foil hat community.
     
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    I explained it in the part you decided you wanted to edit from my quote.

    Here's the full thing. Try reading it then responding to it with a little integrity.

     
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    And KTW rounds don't exist?

    They do?

    Well, whatta ya know... turns out "cop-killer bullets" do exist. And if at some point in history they had not existed, Reagan's speech would have "miraculously" pulled them into existence.

    So give it a rest: your lame strawman is dead.
     
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    Define "cop killer" bullet.
     
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    You didn't even know what they were before this and they certainly aren't in manufacture now. There were never so called cop killer bullets.
     
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    My proposal here:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/alternatives-to-arming-teachers.530975/

    Evidence? Maybe we could do an experiment? Use high-school kids as guinea pigs, right?

    I don't know if there is evidence or not. I do know that there is logic and human reasoning.
     
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    And why in the world would I want to do that?

    Regardless... your request is pretty idiotic. It's like asking for the "legal requirement" for computer technicians to fix computers.

    Do this: act as if you were looking for a job as a cop. Google "police job description", for example. Let me know if you find any in which protecting people or preventing crimes from being committed (or any particular verbiage to that effect).

    You have 24 hours. Go!
     

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