As Much As I Hate to Admit It, A Ground Invasion of the Islamic State Makes Sense

Becuase there might be a potential oppenheimer which is not allowed to come to america under your period of immigration freeze. A general freeze on immigration is just pain stupid. There is never a reason for keeping out well educated and smart people. Never. You can try to limit the number of uneducated, or the numbers from a particularily hard-to-assimilate group, but that is something totally different from a freeze on all immigration. There is no such thing as immigration in general, there is no generic immigrant. Immigrants are the most diverse group in the world. It doesn't make any sense at all to just freeze all immigration for any reason, period.

For the record, I'm not making any moral judgements or arguments. I'm just making the practical.

"people who belong here" is a funny phrase considering all americans are immigrants or the descendants of them, which have all been there a very short time, relatively. By what criteria do they "belong there"? Is there some american ethnicity you refer to? They only thing there is is that they the ones who are already there now, and that is quite frankly not a very good reason to say that everyone else doesn't belong there. But who belongs where and where not doesn't really matter to me. People don't "belong" anywhere. I find the entire notion stupid. People go where people go, and preferably, they should go to wherever they are most useful.

The problem is that you think there is a conflict between "us" and "them". Yes, that sounds cliche and liberal I know, and they misuse it for other issues, but in this issue its true. See, there's not any fixed amount of jobs. Immigrants don't steal jobs, they create jobs. "Lets put all our people to work before we invite more to come in from elsewhere" is a horrible idea because 1. There will ALWAYS be unemployment and 2. immigrants doesn't steal jobs, they add jobs. id est, there's not a conflict.

You have a stupid welfare system and you are stupid enough to give it for free to anyone who comes. It's your fault that you're being stupid, not their fault for taking advantage of your stupidity. Stop being stupid instead of blaming others. You don't have to give stuff for free to everyone who comes along you know. You choose to do it.

I never said you can't stop immigration. I'm saying that you shouldn't, because it would hurt the USA.

 

Hmm...., Where do you start the ground invasion from? Syria? Iraq? Turkey? The only thing I agree with you on is that air forces cannot win a war without boots on the ground.

 

I'd rather we just exit the whole mess altogether, but if we want to get more involved, defending the Kurds seems the best route. They're about the only trustworthy group in the whole region.

We could carve up parts of Syria and Iraq and declare it as Kurdistan. It would (*)(*)(*)(*) them and Turkey off, but I really don't care. The Kurds seem like a much more worthwhile ally than any of these other countries.

 

Problem is though, that you can't just do that. No country in that region wants to see a a kurdistan. You can't get much done with that if literally everyone there opposes it. What could -and should- be done though, is to make syria and iraq into federations with great autonomy to the regions.

 

Well, that didn't stop the creation of Israel.

 

And look what that it brought with it. Do you really want even more wars and instability in the middle east?

 

I'm not sure that's even possible at this point. Besides, Saudi radicalization has done more to destabilize the region than Israel.

 

I didn't say Israel destabilised it. I think the arabs did because they were just so pissed off at israel. But regardless of who did it, (*)(*)(*)(*) did happen and that's what matters. (*)(*)(*)(*) will undoubtedly happen if kurdistan comes along, and the middle east don't need more of that right now. And yes, it can get worse. You would've probably said it couldn' gotten worse a few years ago too, and look, ISIS just popped up recently. The ME has an infinite potential for (*)(*)(*)(*).