ASIO devoting more resources to growing threat of extreme right-wing domestic terror

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  1. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Am I discussing this with ASIO or you??? I asked you who you consider them to be??? It matters not if you want to answer the question or not. Others may decide to answer it…
    No, Marxism and communism is a much greater altruistic system that needs everybody to work for one purpose and that is the best of the people. It also cannot tolerate corruption and is a rigid and closed system. Dealing with others must be done through same basic system which is not what the rest of the world is about

    Advancement is done through people giving all to the society or trading.
    Basically, it is considered, the only way Marxism or communism will succeed is if the rest of the world has a 55% or greater similar system (arguably). In true Marxist style, the system is failing due to its isolation of which it is necessary to operate.

    Ideally, it is a fantastic system, actually better than communism and if the world was far more willing to strive for the group and not self, would work well. BUT as I say “Ideally” real world is self-interest, corruption and hatred.

    Rather a simplistic view, but we could talk about the systems for months and still be no closer to understanding.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    jeez garry.... did you really just say that... do you know how corrupt the Soviet Union was and China is? No wonder we're in so much *****....it's comments like this ^^^^

    Our government is grovelling to Biden, the bootlicking is non stop and they are bending particularly low....truth is they have no choice...we're done...cooked economically....which means we're sucking on the swap line teat and sacrificing at the eurodollar altar. Also means it is irrelevant which stage of ideological subversion we are in... we're in whatever stage Biden says we are.

    Cool... suppose that means I can get on with my life and leave the rest of you to destabilise your country and indoctrinate your countrymen :lol:

     
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    A new Leninist era have begun, the US dictatorship is pushing a worldwide purge of right wing conservatives and this "right wing extremist" announcement by ASIO is but the beginning.

    If you are a conservative who have been speaking out - beware
    If you have knowledge not in line with the regime - beware
    If you are a right winger - beware - they will set you up and paint you as an extremist

    To all of you innocent people about to get run over by the regime, their bankers & wall street hedge funds, Godspeed

     
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    What a load of hooey!
     
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  6. garry17

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    and you cannot correlate what has been said to what has been happening??? Or are you just looking to pick a fight??? either way, this part of your comment supports the statement made.

    LOL, Australia cannot go it alone. It is a Mino swimming in an ocean of sharks who want what Australia has. Like it or not Australia is desirable for what it has. Who should they align themselves with??? China??? Maybe Germany???.

    Well it is YOU who is complaining, perhaps you could come up with alternatives that steer the nation away from the direction you consider it to be heading???


    It is easy to simply throw stones but harder to fix the glass.
     
  7. bigfella

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    No, if you didn't like Australia I think you would constantly whine about it, constantly promote mind numbingly stupid conspiracy theories with zero evidence, constantly attack state and federal governments of all stripes, show a clear dislike for our racially mixed society and generally indicate that you have no respect for our society or institutions.

    In other words, pretty much your entire posting history. It is painfully obvious that you don't like it here. You make it clear pretty much every time you post in the 'Australia' section.
     
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    Nope, I got it right the first time. Look at how many threads you drag South Africa into - practically every one. Everything is South Africa.....or your warped view of it.

    As for 'racist, racist, racist', maybe stop trying to pretend right wing extremists exist, stop defending apartheid & the dictatorship that kept it in place & stop attacking Africans and maybe people won't draw the obvious inference.
     
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    OK, a slightly edited version of the above post, as I suspect the mods may not like the choice of words (wish the edit function was operational for a bit longer than 15 minutes).

    No, if you didn't like Australia I think you would constantly complain about it, constantly promote utterly absurd conspiracy theories with zero evidence, constantly attack state and federal governments of all stripes for equally absurd reasons, show a clear dislike for our racially mixed society and generally indicate that you have no respect for our society or institutions.

    In other words, pretty much your entire posting history. It is painfully obvious that you don't like it here. You make it clear pretty much every time you post in the 'Australia' section.
     
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    I'm struggling to think of any potentially violent Left Wing Political Groups in Australia and by 'Left Wing' I mean the classical definition. They all faded away with the end of the original Cold War in the West and China's opening up in the 'East'. The only violent hard core left wingers I can think of were active in Greece until a decade or so ago and even then it was a aging half dozen diehards.

    Now there are radical and violent groups present in African for instance that wear the cloak of radical Marxism, that's true. But that's all it is, a cloak. Their actions mirror in every way other extremist right wing or fanatical religious group on that continent. And as such they are no more a 'threat' and therefore worthy of no more concern than all of those other groups.

    What you do have (at least here in Australia) are dozens of left wing activist groups with revolving door memberships and leadership structures (and I use the word 'structure' advisedly) whose aim is to protest and disrupt. But to date none of them have demonstrated the willingness, determination, planning and most importantly the discipline needed for a deliberate long term campaign of violence against proclaimed targets.

    This is possibly because they have bought into the idea of collectivist action by 'the group'. Whereas the extreme right wingers tend to form and hold a strong sense of personal responsibility and individual call to action. And that is much, much more dangerous. Believe me, until recently I had access to some of the briefings and intelligence alerts.

    So sorry SW. I think you've misidentified the threat and have drifted off into conspiracy land here - at least a bit.
     
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    An extraordinarily charitable assessment.

    The only violent groups that could be considered left wing are the 'black bloc' anarchist groups who often turn up at demonstrations and attempt to provoke police. There might also be a tiny number on the fringes of the environmental movement. In both cases I'm struggling to think of anything that might be considered 'terrorism'. It would be a very small number of very isolated incidents at worst.

    During the Cold War ASIO & the various state Special Branches surveilled & infiltrated any & every left wing group imaginable. By 1970, when Australia was 10 million, ASIO alone had opened 500,000 files, overwhelmingly on left wing groups & individuals. Right wing Croatian & Yugoslav groups, on the other hand, conducted the largest sustained terrorist campaign in Australian history (excluding the systematic killing of the indigenous population, of course). This went on for years unhindered by ASIO's vast apparatus until Whitlam came to power & compelled a few folk to take the bombings, arsons etc. seriously.

    More recently right wing groups have a history of violence, from small scale physical violence up to arson & murder. Then there is the Australian who committed the Christchurch Massacre. To fail to carefully monitor such groups would be a serious dereliction of responsibity. To argue that such groups do not pose a threat or are some sort of government invention is delusional.
     
  12. garry17

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    Not to be derisive... to the point here is at what level do ASIO start being concerned???


    Australia has had several violent protest and threats from both sides of the spectrum. When should extremism be considered serious threat??? (not actually the act) That is to say, at what point do we consider the extremist element to influence people into action??? Talking up threat??? Perhaps preaching threat??? OR some other level???

    We have to consider such so we can stop overreach by government or public service. While most don’t see it, the government and its agencies often get away with such action. Such as the terrorism laws to hold without charge or representation indefinitely which has had more innocent people held than real terrorists. People who did not have better friends than most could well have vanished under government hospitality. IMHO


    Anyway, while the premise of the OP is somewhat reaching, it does raise other points.
     
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    The law at the Federal Level is quite clear on the issue. Protesting is fine. Calling for violent action against the State or its citizens is not, the same for entering into a conspiracy with that intention or taking steps in furtherance of violent acts. All persons subject to detention orders (issued by the courts BTW) have their cases subject to legal review and the number of persons affected by either Detention or Control Orders (which can be used to limit the activities of named individuals post conviction upon release into the community) at any one time in this country is tiny. Furthermore the orders are a matter of court record and have to be renewed at regular intervals anyway. When up for renewal the State has to argue and present evidence as to why a control order should be continued and present evidence, the subject of the order being able to challenge that evidence. Finally over time the orders end to be wound back/become allowing the person concerned more and more 'freedoms' e.g accessing a computer as over time they prove they have separated from violent movements.

    So, sorry to deflate your 'Police State' balloon but State and Federal law enforcement in this country have neither the resources, the legal authority or for that matter any real interest in attempting to organize mass detentions and arrests.
     
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