At least 10 dead in mass shooting at Buffalo supermarket

I'm not telling anyone anything. I've listened to Trump as much as I could bear and in my considered opinion he IS a white supremacist, though he will deny it vehemently as it is rightly a term of some opprobrium. I really wish Trump WAS a clown but he is as serious as a heart attack to me, and about as welcome

 

Look, I’m not wild about the guy but I can find things about him that do not impress me that doesn’t require me to make things up about him, or Biden for that matter.
But if that’s your water mark for what makes a white supremacist you’re gonna suddenly decide they’re everywhere.

They’re not. They’re rare and that’s a good thing.

 

They kind of are "all over America."

https://www.soundvision.com/article/facts-and-statistics-on-white-supremacists-in-the-united-states

"The total number of hate groups in the U.S. rose to 1,020 in 2018. That is seven percent more than 2017. White nationalist groups alone increased by almost 50 percent last year, growing from 100 chapters in 2017 to 148 in 2018. Although black nationalist groups make up a small percentage of hate groups, they are the minority. The great majority are those that despise racial, ethnic or religious minorities and they, unlike black nationalist groups, have a firm foothold in the mainstream."

That report is from a few years ago, so consider their numbers to be on the low side. Here is more recent info:

https://www.statista.com/topics/4178/hate-crimes-in-the-united-states/#dossierKeyfigures

 

I’m willing to drill down on this but the problem is how are they defining a white nationalist hate group? I can see a bunch of nazi thugs being listed, certain biker gangs, etc. that site just mentions the groups without showing who is lumped into that crowd and why.
You could easily have the exact number of “people” who qualify for that term but you could double or triple the “group” depending on how they’re defined. I’m certain that number has erred on the low side, but if we’re gonna define those who are acting out on this and becoming violent it’s best we clear up how we label these people.

If you count prison populations that’s not helpful as everyone gets put with their own label while inside.

if you look at pure crime stats white nationalists barely even register. That idiot from last week killed less people than were killed here in Houston in a weekend.

For instance I don’t think the 1/6 people were doing anyone any favors but I wouldn’t call them white nationalists.

 

I drilled down a little on both of those sources (an activity I highly recommend). They appear legit, and appear to be getting their list of white nationalist/supremacist groups from the FBI. I don't vouch for their accuracy, but the claim that there are far more white supremacists with violent tendencies and violent intentions than any other group does appear to be accurate.

As for prison populations or crime stats as compared to last week in Houston: apples to oranges.

No one calls all of the 1/6 events white nationalists, but there sure were a big boatload of them who took part, and also did a lot of planning and logistics to get their people there.

 

So where exactly are they getting these numbers? That's what concerns me about that site, it doesn't show the work. If we're going to label them as such I need to know where they are and a little about how we chose to call them white supremacists. Obviously nazi loons are an easy one to spot, their ideology is literally on their sleeve. No one is counting prisons, that's a different animal but that's why I want to know where these figures are coming from.

 

You'll have to dig around on the FBI's web site for that. If I have to guess, I'd say that these folks, small groups and large, have an online presence and the FBI monitors those. I'm guessing they also glean statistics from local law enforcement, like arrest records or suspicious activity.

I'm not up to browsing the FBI myself, sorry. Having another really bad day.

 

ok, I’ll look later today. I’m curious how they can say x amount of people are ws without saying how they know that. I would hope the fbi, useless as they’ve been in my opinion, would be monitoring online activity for idiots or any color who threaten the rest of us. Sorry to their that.

 

It sure seemed like it was everywhere:

 

Candace McDuffie is a liar.

 

Didn't they already say the manifesto was posted online about 30 minutes before the shooting:

 

A foregone action:

 

Are there any academic inquiry issues here:

 

I notice as your posts progress through the thread, at NO point did you actually condemn the shooter.


Interesting.

 

When I say what I think should have happened I get a note from mods.

 

Did anyone see this coming out of the UK?


'Teen Gets 11 Years for Neo-Nazi Videos That Inspired Racist Buffalo Mass Shooting'
Source: Vice

"A U.K. teenager has been sentenced to 11 and a half years behind bars for creating racist content that was heavily referenced by the neo-Nazi who live-streamed himself murdering Black people in a Buffalo grocery store.

Daniel John Harris, 19, will spend the next decade behind bars for creating neo-Nazi video propaganda that pushed for terrorism. Harris and his work were referenced at least seven times by the shooter who live-streamed himself murdering ten people during a mass shooting at a grocery store in May 2022. It was also alleged that the man who shot up a gay nightclub in Colorado, killing five and injuring 17, consumed them.

Harris was arrested on May 16, 2022, two days after the Buffalo attack, and was found guilty in December. He was sentenced late last week. It’s further evidence of the transnational and deadly nature of the modern white supremacy movement and how difficult it can be for law enforcement.

Harris' videos were directly referenced by the Buffalo mass murderer in the lengthy diary he kept in the days leading up to the mass shooting. At one point in the shooter's online diary, he wrote “Shout out to (Harris’ online name,) thank you for your service.”

Read more: https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zxkd/buffalo-shooting-neo-nazi-video-uk

 

The 19-year-old killer will spend the rest of his life in jail.

 

Has the rightwing started a GoFundMe for him yet?

 

Was someone chasing him with a skateboard trying to beat him in the head?

As it turns out.... It's actually not a good idea to chase a man armed with a rifle trying to beat him with a skateboard.
Did you see a picture of rittenhouse's new girlfriend? She's smoking hot

 

No, you're thinking about the Leftists who created bail bond funds for rioters.