At Least 9 Doctors Killed In US Airstrikes On Hospital

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Probably more than you, you've never read anything about warfare and how to defeat the enemy have you.

    It was an active combat zone, the doctors had an obligation to leave and protect themselves rather than in place themselves in harms way where our enemy can attempt to use them as cover for there attack against our forces or deny us the ability to defeat that enemy.

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    They should have done so days ago.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    I don't care what they declared. They obviously could not convince our enemies to not attack and attempt to take over the city nor guaranty they would not be used as human shields. They should have evacuated, instead they choose to stay in that active combat zone.

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    If not then is no comparison to this event as was attempting to be made.
     
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    Is this hospital being used as an offensive or defensive position from which US forces are attacking that enemy?

    Originally Posted by Greataxe View Post
    It's standard operating procedure for Taliban and Islamic terrorists to fight from hospitals, schools, mosques and other places that uses civilian status to shield themselves.

    The doctors killed were fools, treating morally debased people (a good many of them terrorists) in a war zone where the enemy does not follow civilized rules of war.

    Stupid is as stupid does.



    Are you as a matter of fact denying they do? Or pleading ignorance?

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    Compared to what exactly?
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    You really think that is what the US military is doing there...............really.
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    So what, they needed to be in contact with the enemy and telling them not to attack the city and use them as human shield defensive positions from which to attack Afghan forces and if the enemy said no then get their sweet arse's out of there. Did you really think US command would just say "OH! OK you're still there, well then we'll just have to let the enemy take the city" then call the President and tell him we had to turn Kabul over to the enemy because 9 doctors told us we couldn't fight the enemy there?

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    What war hasn't been?
     
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    You really think the US government would do that? It is just beyond your imagination the enemy was using the location as a defensive position from which they could also launch undeterred attacks?

    Where is the outrage over the enemy using such "protected" civilian positions to carry out their tactical plans unabated?
     
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    What a LIMP wristed & LAME excuse to obliterate a fully functioning Hospital :steamed:
    Besides your bald contention is denied by the MAF humanitarians who survived

    When will the people who so easily inhale US media absurdities and make Excuse & Apology
    ............................................ for such Crime – tire of such overt American NEO CON hypocrisy ?


    American hypocrites whine & complain when the Russki Bear claw their ISIS/AlQueda Proxies

    YET
    One Day After Warning Russia of Incurring Civilian Casualties,
    ............ the U.S. Bombs the Hell Out of a Hospital in Afghanistan

    https://theintercept.com/2015/10/03...-u-s-bombs-a-hospital-in-the-war-obama-ended/


    MSF General Director Christopher Stokes said the charity was “disgusted”
    by statements made by Afghan officials who justified the attack by saying that
    the MSF hospital in Kunduz had been used as a ‘Taliban base


    “These statements imply that Afghan and US forces working together decided to raze
    to the ground a fully functioning hospital with more than 180 staff and patients inside

    because they claim that members of the Taliban were present."


    This amounts to an admission of a war crime. This utterly contradicts the vacant claims of
    [color=#fffffff]....[/color] the US government that they attempt to minimize collateral damage in their Geo Political
    ................................................................................................................................. aggressions.


    How can you people attempt to Justify that sort of crap - & Sleep at night ?
    How much more transparent can NAKED careless Fool Azz murder get ? :steamed:

    http://www.rt.com/news/317495-strike-hospital-hit-nato/


    & even if the situation was as you Contend
    That is exactly have boots on the ground - To rescue those people -
    NOT to Hy -ch Bomb them all to Hell - Like a gang of yellow Gutess Wonders

    Or do you actually ascribe to the Popes Legate:
    "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
    ("Kill them. For the Lord knows those that are His own.")


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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm glad you're back. :thumbsup:
     
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    What a poor argument. You are actually stating that the people of any village/town should be letting "the enemy take the city"! You are saying that if just a handful of terrorists walk into a city, then all those people in that city have to move out because they will become justifiable targets as well. Move to where? To the next village that will be "your" next target? What is the aim of your constant bombing of that country?
     
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    To launch undeterred attacks from the hospital? Are you crazy?
    [video=youtube;fys3MsKMpms]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fys3MsKMpms[/video]
     
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    Still making stuff up I see. A hospital cannot be attacked during a conflict. Doesn't matter where it is.
     
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    Me too... :wink:
     
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    Of course the US government would do that. America has done far worse!
     
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    US brings freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people .....
    [video=youtube;ANv0e7gBXQA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANv0e7gBXQA[/video]
     
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    I think yes. US government has made a lot of mistakes. But I doubt that terrorists will attack members of the government. Usual people will pay for such mistakes...
     
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    Lose the formatting

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    This is not a handful of terrorist and there was a touch a faciciousness in case you missed it.

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    No I am not but your source is. It is not an aabsolute protection in the GC.

    "There are exceptions. A school, for example, becomes a legitimate military target if soldiers are based there. With hospitals, the situation is more complicated since they are permitted to keep armed guards on their grounds. But immunity from attack can be lost if the people or objects are used to commit acts that are harmful to one side in a conflict. If the Bosnian Serbs besieging Sarajevo had concluded that government forces were firing weapons from within the Kosevo hospital complex, they would have had the right to fire back—but only if they had first asked the Bosnian government to stop using the hospital as a shield and had given them a reasonable period to comply. - See more at: http://www.crimesofwar.org/a-z-guide/immunity-from-attack/#.dpuf"
     
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    Or deliberate. Clinton bombed a pharma factory.
     
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    You are the ones supporting war criminals like anyone in ISIS and the Taliban because libs like yourself do not demand accountability for their actions.
     
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    Please show the dates where the Taliban and ISIS (ISIL) signed the Geneva Convention.

    What's that? Oh, you say they didn't?

    Schools were attacked in 163 verified incidents, including 29 attacks or threats of attack against protected personnel and 28 incidents of placement of improvised explosive devices inside school premises. Several attacks were related to the use of schools as polling stations. A total of 94 incidents were attributed to the Taliban and other armed groups, 1 to international forces and 68 incidents that could not be attributed. Girls’ education was particularly targeted by the Taliban, including the distribution of leaflets with serious threats against students, intimidation of female teachers, attacks on school personnel for not complying with the Taliban’s demand to close schools, and attacks on students on their way to school. At least 469 Afghan schools remained closed because of insecurity.

    At least 10 health-care personnel were killed and 14 were abducted. Health facilities continued to be attacked directly or as collateral damage. A total of 38 verified incidents were attributed to armed groups, including 13 to the Taliban, and 4 to the Afghan national security forces, including forced entries into health facilities in search of alleged armed group elements.

    The United Nations verified 11 cases of military use of schools by the Taliban (3), Afghan National Army (3), the local police (3), the national police (1), and other Afghan national security forces units (1), as well as 3 incidents of military use of hospitals by the national police and the Taliban.

    https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/countries/afghanistan/
     
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    I see you can't argue with my ideas, as you have no better strategy to fight them. Your answer is to run away and let them do as they please "because they are 3rd Worlders."

    This isn't about fighting an evenly matched war, this isn't about fairness. It wasn't fair that the brutal Amerindian savages in the 18th and 19th Centuries didn't have any industrial capacity to make a single bullet. It was good that they were subdued using modern tech.

    When is the last time groups like Amnesty International demand that ISIS sign the Geneva Convention and fight by civilized standards???
     
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    Please source where I wrote that or otherwise just shut up.
    Meanwhile you do support war criminal behavior by demanding people who are captured and wounded being executed.
     
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    They are terrorists out of uniform. Just like when Nazi Germany sent spies and sabotage crews to England and the US. They were out of uniform and they were executed. Remember the Germans who dressed up like US MP's during the Battle of the Bulge? The ones caught were shot upon capture.


    Time to play by the rules. Get a uniform or (*)(*)(*)(*) and die.
     
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    Firstly, how do you know that there was not just a handful of terrorists?. Secondly, under your definition it would make no difference if there is one terrorist, 10 terrorists or 100 terrorists. Why are we there? To give those Afghans a safe place to live; so what if they all die while we are defending them and giving them freedom!

    The "touch a faciciousness" is such a small touch it may as well not exist. Are you now saying that you don't really agree with the bombing of that hospital? The US led western force (ok, just US nowadays) certainly have no qualms in blowing up any other suspected houses irrelevant if that leads to collateral damage. Now extended to hospitals, not sure how the bar could be lowered.
     
  24. truth and justice

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    And if a burglar robs from you, you are then justified in robbing from any other suspected burglar?
     
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    By the reporting and I have no interest in your strawman arguments. Get yourself up to speed, the Taliban forces are on the verge of taking over the city of Kabul, that is not a handful of terrorist.

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    How did you make that leap in logic on this issue?
     

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