Australia learned the hard way...don't confuse Trump with a chump.

I agree, it's fine to take a stand against a bully, but at least not over something as dumb as this deal... Trump is right it's a stupid deal.

I think Turnbull should have tried to negotiate for something else ..information...I'm sure a better deal could have been made than the transfer of refugees. This is more about Turnbull's political career than what is in the best interests for Australia.

 

Well Trump wants out of the deal, and you apparently don't, for all of your virtue signalling about "bloody awful policies on refugees." So I'm a bit stunned too, that you want rid of these guys so badly that it's worth damaging relations. To me, that seems to indicate that Trump is right to want out of this deal.

 

Hmm I would agree except that international agreements are not lightly dismissed - they have ramifications. And if Turnbull backed down on this Trump is likely to bully us on other things

 

The news said the PM was rude to Trump. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), I'd rip that guy a new (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). Don't take that (*)(*)(*)(*) from a lackey like that Trump.

 

Wait until he starts trying to force you to agree to US-centric trade deals.

You know that is going to happen.

Some US corporations have groups in Australia contributing to the creation of technology and products.

And, Trump wants that stopped, too!

 

Don't know what news you were listening to but WE heard that Trump was the one who became nasty and hung up in Mal's ear

 

Don't know he will succeed there - see have a look at a map. We have been busy building lots of relationships with places like China, Singapore, Indonesia and of course India

Aussies don't have a BAD reputation in these countries so we can always get new trading partners - that was what happened with the TPP - America pulls out and we start talking to some regional powers. Indonesia would not mind stepping up I will wager - and they are neighbours

 

But not a Muslim ban


I think that is a personal attack, If you cant win the argument attack the source

 

Agreed in full.

This could end up with the US more isolated than it has been, as China could be seen as the more stable and central trading partner in the Pacific - with influence from Indonesia through Korea.

One must consider when there will be a TPP led by China.

 

Yes this could cause more issues than it solves
https://leftrightleftmusings.wordpress.com ... ally-or-bully/

 

Well in the US system we don't consider this agreement with the standing of a treaty. It's an executive agreement that a new executive can change at will.

However I understand the domestic politics of this in Australia. You can't be seen as backing down, so as a compromise, we won't take your Muslim refugees, but we'll still give you our Central American ones. So it's a win/win.

 

Amen.

Strength doesn't come from being a bully.

 

We can find excuses to break every treaty or other agreement on record today. Remember that Bush dumped a nuclear treaty with no more than a stroke of the pen.

The ease with which we can go back on our word isn't really the point.

In fact, it is a weakness - our willingness to go back on our word simply erodes the value in ever agreeing with us in the first place.

 

Yes I don't know why a country would bother negotiating an executive agreement with the US that can be abrogated by the next US President. They should stick to treaties.

 

Most US deals are win/win .. The US wins twice, the other side loses

 

Look the Australian government were desperate, opinion was souring over the refugee problem, they had made unconscionable decisions and were looking for some sort of "quick fix" that they hoped would make it go away, extremely bad decision even if it did go ahead.

Let's look at it logically, something governments never do.
Telling them they NEVER EVER will set foot in Australia so that the people smugglers cannot say "Here our boat will take you to Australia to be resettled". So now they say "Here our boat will take you to Australia and they will fly you to the USA to be resettled", but for some unknown and totally unexpected reason, Trump doesn't like that idea, well Malcolm was surprised even if we weren't.
This is a first class example that WE ARE UNABLE TO HANDLE OUR OWN DOMESTIC AFFAIRS

 

Strength come from having "right" on your side, if you have right on your side you will have friends, if you have friends you have strength.

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Love your handle, I think a lot of people need to meet Will Thinkmore

 

There is no agreed arbiter of what is "right".

There is never only one side to a situation as complex as the most simple agreement between nations.

So, the very foundation of your idea isn't particularly significant.

We claim to see that the "rule of law" is "right" - but, we don't follow the rule of law ourselves unless it happens to be self serving.

 

There is a basic right, it is what common law is based on, yes every civilization, nation, country and group have their particular take on it but there are some basics things that everyone really knows is right even if they will never admit it. Like anything, give it to humans we will wreck it.

 

There already is, it's called the RCEP and it excludes the US, similar to the TPP that excluded China
http://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/rcep/Pages/regional-comprehensive-economic-partnership.aspx

 

We need to form a new alliance, the NTAC

 

NoTAnotherCrap agreement?

 

Good try but no prize, sorry. OK C = Countries

 

"Potential terrorists": says it all. "Trump stood up for America by keeping us safe." Safe from what, exactly? Oh yes! "Potential terrorists". How silly of me! LMAO!

 

No Trump in Australia without Consent?