Australia suffers most extreme warming

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  1. Wizard From Oz

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    You realize all fluorescent lights have mercury dont you?
     
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    Or that a coal fired power station will emit more mercury in coal ash than you can get from CFL's

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp
     
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    Where is all the toxic mercury going from all the 10’s of millions of eco-bulbs being dumped into rubbish dumps throughout Australia? Less coal ash, but comtaminating the soil and underground water tables with toxic mercury from eco-bulbs. :roflol: :roflol: Care to big-note yourself out this with a logical explanation? :roflol:
     
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    Save the air, but poison our soil and underground water with toxic mercury. I thought you were smarter than that. :wall:
     
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    You get much more mercury in the water from coal ash than you do from light bulbs.

    The Coosa river here in Alabama is a prime example. It has been polluted from mercury before they started selling CFL's.
    The pollution was from coal fired electricity generation. We have to limit the amount of wild caught fish eaten. I think its a max of two pounds a week.
     
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    Mercury is one of the most deadly and toxic substances there is and Mercury in rainfall along with certain acids are killing off the bottom of the food chain.

    As well you don't see anywhere near as many amphibians and snakes anymore.

    When I was a kid on a rainy day in spring you would see MILLIONS of frogs crossing the roads.

    You just don't see this anymore.

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    Oh! I am and it does not take much to show it - just a comparison with a post so lacking in insight that it even mangles the information in a Wiki entry
     
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    Its nice to know your intellectual rationale Bower; save the air from toxic mercury, but allow our water and soil to be contaminated by it, all because of your sanctimonious approval of dangerous eco-light bulbs. :roflol:
     
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    Idiot ...
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/apr/27/ethicalliving.lifeandhealth
     
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    Build a small Koi pond....and the frogs will come.

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    Build a small Koi pond....and the frogs will come.
     
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    I think you might have stumbled on the answer in your post
     
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    LOL!!!

    What is Green and Red and is spinning in a circle at a 1000 miles per hour?

    A Frog in a blender!

    No...when I was a kid you would see MILLIONS of them crossing the road on a rainy spring night.

    Acid Rain has a major effect upon amphibian egg viability.

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    Well all jokes aside amphibians have been in trouble for a while. Looks like it might be multiple causes :(
     
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    As well...when I was a kid I would mow our lawn and both of my Grandparents lawns and all three were over an acre or 2 in size so I used riding lawnmowers.

    Every time I would mow any of the three lawns I would accidentally chop up at least one or two snakes in the mowers blades as there at one time were a huge number of snakes in Massachusetts....not so many anymore due to their eggs being effected by acid rain.

    Funny thing is there exists now more Deer, Moose, Bear, Mountain Lions, Bobcat, Raccoon, Eagles, Hawks, Peregrine Falcons, Snowy Owls and Logan Airport has the highest number and concentration of these large white Owls in the area, Beaver, Possum....etc....more exist now then they existed in my state when I was a kid.

    I have a very large Bird Feeder on a steel pole about 9 feet up and it holds about 50 lbs of seed....as in the Fall and Winter...you should not feed birds in Summer as they should be allowed to feed on insects....I get to see all sorts of songbirds and in all sorts of colors such as Red Male and Green Female Cardinals, Blue Jays, Yellow Finches, Blue Birds...and a huge number of others.

    One day this fall I am out in the back yard filling the Bird Feeder and I hear a GROWL or HUFF! I look around quickly as I KNOW what is making this sound....but I have a dense and thick forest at the edge of my yard with low hanging Yellow Pine Branches.

    I get down from the latter and turn around and about 8 feet from me is a 400 Lbs BLACK BEAR. I look behind this bear which was female and see 2 cubs about 6 to 7 months old nervously waiting. I yell at the bear and she just slowly walks back into the pine.

    I go into my house and get a beer then at the large picture windows in my kitchen that directly face the Bird Feeder....I see MAMA BEAR BENDING A 3 INCH IN DIAMETER STEEL POLE CEMENTED INTO THE GROUND....and the damn bear bent my pole like it was tin foil and then ripped open my barrel like thick clear plastic bird feeder like it was nothing as the cubs ran up to meet her.

    I ran back outside and yelled at her and she did not MOVE!! LOL!!!

    So I went and got my 12 Gage Shot Gun and popped off 2 shots and all three bear took off.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I will try to dumb it down further for you DomV - if possible.

    I was explaining about 10's of millions of eco bulbs being dumped into land-fill, will eventually contaminate the surrounding soil with deadly mercury, and leach into our underground water supply.

    I wasn't advocating that "1" un-broken or undamaged bulb represented a danger, but 10's of million will. 5 milligrams might not represent a contamination danger to land-fill, and our underground water tables, but 5 kilos in high density landfills might.

    Your own post stated that "mercury is a toxic chemical, and should be handled with care".

    Does handling them with care, mean throwing them way into land fill by the 10's of millions? You ignored the stats in your own posting that mercury is toxic, and should be handled with care, and ecobulbs contain 5 milligrams of mercury. Less carbon polution in the atmosphere thanks ecobulbs, and more toxic mercury in the land and water thanks to ecobulbs. :roflol: How the hell can you logically support ecobulbs dude on the grounds they reduce one form of polution, but are contaminating our land and water with another toxic form of polution called mercury? :roflol:
     
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    Dumb it down for me, that's a joke, you couldn't "smart it up". You can't read either I see, the article says that more mercury is released by the generation of power to power "normal" light bulbs so using ECO bulbs DOES reduce the amount of toxic mercury as well as other pollutants. It also helps us to conserve our resources.

    So to "Dumb it down" for you. More mercury is worse than less mercury. ECO light bulbs have less mercury, including that which is released during power generation for them than "ordinary" light bulbs.

    Is that "DUMB" enough for you to understand. Of course all this would be academic if we didn't have a foreign queen. LMAO

    If that's not, lets try this little exercise.

    This is Spot. See Spot run.

    http://www.funwithspot.com/au/
     
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    You know inappropriate use of smileys does not make a post look more intelligent
     
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    Temperature records have been broken again here in Australia again I see! I suppose we could put it down to phenomena "again". The extreme arctic blast in the Canada and USA also brought record low temperatures. Is it just me or are we monotonously seeing record breaking temperatures on a more regular basis?
     
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    Whatchu talkin' 'bout boy, we had cold days back in the ice age.
     
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    No question about it, there has been a downward temperature trent for the last 6,000 years. There have been rapid rises in the past but each successive rise has been less than the one before. The present rise is very small and nothing unusual in historic terms and already appears to be over.
    Another thing this graph demonstrates is that all the alarmists doomsaying is just a load of crock.
     
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    See, nothing to worry about, is there. Is there?
     
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    Oh how I wish I could be like those that just walk around in blissful ignorance, ignoring the plethora of good sound research, hook my wagon to some group of conspiracy theorists and have all the answers.

    Instead I wonder, who is right, I don't know. What I do know is if we are right and global warming is happening, we need to do something about it. I do know if we are wrong, we will save some forests, some endangered species, conserve our natural resources, and our Great Barrier Reef, clean our air and water. Maybe nothing will be achieved, but at least we will have Done Something Maybe we will have to buy one less widescreen digital 3D television set. Maybe give up some luxuries, maybe care and think about what we are doing.

    You are so lucky.
     
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    Please explain the logic behind do-gooders and greenies, who advocate the use of eco-bulbs, because its reducing carbon consumption, but the same eco-bulbs are "not handled with care" and being thrown away into landfill is now poisoning and contaminating the soil and underground water supply with toxic mercury?

    These eco-bulbs are a classic example of what people like myself have to experience and tolerate, when idiot do-gooders and greenies race off on their moronic environmental crusades, without being able to connect all the intellectual dots. The end result always ends up being more of a bloody mess and disaster than the original concept they tried to change.

    The same thing is happening with this climate change nonsense; it's all just a big pyramid scheme created by the banks, and the do-gooders and greenies have fallen for the scam "hook -line- and -sinker" to everyone else's determent.

    How the hell can buying and selling pollution on the stock-exchange reduce pollution? How was giving the UN 10%: $10 billion of the Australian carbon tax profits going to help Australia reduce pollution? They are creating underground facilities to dump and store pollution that will be active for 1000's of years - that is reducing pollution yeah. To me, that is turning your planet into a toxic waste dump. LOL LOL

    In all seriousness, you would have to be the dumbest idiot going around to believe this nonsense. They have no intentions of reducing pollution, as its all a money making scam, while they turn the planet into a toxic waste dump. Wake up and smell the roses!!
     
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    Those graphs are not good sound research? I have always supported the idea of cleaning up our act but instead of trying to frighten people with the alarmist religion, why not do it with a reward line instead. You know, instead of "do it or you will be punished" why not "do it and you will be rewarded"? I do not believe there is anything we can do about earths average temperature, just look at the historical rises and falls that have been completely independent of anything mankind is doing but there is plenty we can do about turning around man's appalling record of environmental destruction. What is conspicuous for its abscence is the worldwide discussion about population reduction, after all. rising population is the root cause of all our problems.
     

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