Australia whats up with this?

Probably become even more restrictive if not outright banned.

 

LOL and you wonder why no one takes you seriously strawman...Leave America out of it, My comments were, Australia passed laws to reduce gun violence, it isn't working...according to articles and a study I posted. Granted things can change but I've seen this trend before so I am asking for a reason why others think it is the cats meow if it is having a deleterious effect. If a passed law ends up with an undesirable effect....shouldn't it be modified and in the end if it has quite the opposite effect shouldn't it be repealed.
As to your last statement EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (LOUD MECHANICAL SOUND) try again, you love injecting your strawman opinions into others comments and on many occasions have been made to look silly because you push the extremes. Try staying in context and maybe you'll be taken more seriously. (That was some free advice)

 

When levels are really low to begin with even a small change can be reported as a drastic increase in percentages. If instead they were reported by the usual per 100k people they'd look barely different.

It's like when the NRA was going on and on and on about the increase in crime in an Australian state because there was a 300% increase in murders one year. They actually confused a city for a state, lol, and the increase was 1 murder one year and 3 the following which may be a 300% increase but in per 100k it barely looked different.

 

fair enough...I admit I don't know much about the culture of Australia. How do you suppose the outright ban would work?

 

Here we'll part company...a trend is a trend. Now I am not standing here saying a trend is occurring but when you pass laws with an expectation, it bears watching if its effects are not what was expected or predicted.

 

If I had to guess there'd be a period in which to bring your firearms to a collection centre. You'd then be paid for them. Last time they did that when they changed licencing conditions they paid above price. They might even say, "If you currently own weapons you don't have a licence for we're having an amnesty and you can bring them in." After that period ended they'd start knocking on doors of people who had licenced firearms and they weren't handed in. No matter their answer they'd get in trouble because I'm pretty sure if a firearm is lost, stolen, or destroyed you are supposed to report it.

However, even if the Federal government did do a plebescite on that issue the states wouldn't have to follow it. It took a lot of political wheeling and dealing by the Federal government in 1996 to get those laws into place because there was opposition from the states over it, even from the state branches of the same political party.

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There will always be up and downs. In the years where it's trending downwards I suppose you'll be back in announcing how it all worked?

 

You do realize that resorting to ad hominem fallacies is a clear indication that you've run out of valid points, right?

 

Naw, either way I don't care....I don't live there. Your culture is different, your standards are different. Just like ours is different from yours. I was simply investigating a report that seemed to contradict what some of your fellow country people were representing as a cure all for our nation.

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You do realize you've completely refused to address the OP..No sense wasting anymore time here eh!

 

Gun banners claim that gun rights are a failure if there are not 0% incidents 100% of the time. The entire subject is fraught with dishonesty.

Such as solely focusing on gun crimes, and not total crimes. When the AUS gun bans were enacted in 1996, what happend to crime in general? Almost all crime increased, from murder to kidnapping and blackmail (murder increased 16% by 2001). Only homicide is currently below the pre-ban level. Violent crime is still 33% above the pre-ban level.

Argueing that a gun ban results in a net decrease in violence is intellectually dishonest.

 

and couple that with the Lib wetdream...no Bill of Rights............... meh, they don't want them nor do they need them

 

Those most against a Bill of Rights in Australia are the conservative parties. Even the so called gun ban was done by a conservative party.

 

some how, I don't believe that.......but it is Australia. It doesn't matter what you call the ruling party, Libs are Libs You still have no Bill of Rights. Socialists/progressives believe in the right of government, not the Rights of the people. and that is your people's fault.

 

No, that's not what the terms mean, but thanks for playing.

 

such strength in your reply.....what terms are you redefining? a socialist is a socialist, no matter what skin they wear.

 

Wow, cherry picking your own post.

 

What terms are you talking about?

 

You seem quick to judge other nations. Especially from a position of ignorance. The Australian Constitution does not need a bill of rights, under the language of the Westminster System, the rights of Australians are implied in the language of the document. It was specifically designed that way, and with good reason. If a government tries something not in the best interest of the people, the people have a way of fixing it.

 

and you are awful damned quick to interfere or judge us....what did you really think would happen when you attack our Bill of Rights...for us just lay down and let you steamroller over us.............fat freakin chance of that, bubb.
If your government took it upon itself to start treating you like peasants, there wouldn't be a damned thing you could do about it.................you're unarmed and MUST do as the government orders
How do you vote out a tyrant?

 

Here we go again, another gunner fantasy about resisting government. Give it a rest.

panzer and Wizard are absolutely correct. Australia has its own legislation and the English common law which deals with rights. The English common law was one of the sources used by your Founding Fathers to draft the Constitution. We have an un-written constitution (we also have a written Constitution, just to confuse things). It works for us. Yours works for you. All happy.

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1. Strawman.
2. Confusion of correlation with causation.

 

If you have a link that supports that straw man I would be happy to see it - otherwise we should treat it as a Guy Fawkes

Bwa Ha Ha HA! Who has been reading the NRA 100% guaranteed Bull twang pseudo information??

 

Please feel free to point out where I attacked your Bill of Rights

 

Meanwhile back at the ranch

Funny how pseudo information cuts both ways eh. Were you gonna just bash the USA or respond to your own countries numbers...

 

Yes the numbers ARE up at the moment and we expect that - that there will always be a variance - will they stay up? Time will tell but I am betting not - meanwhile have you actually thought about those stats and checked them yourself with the ABS?

IF there is only one kidnapping involving a firearm per year but in that year there were three - that is tripling the numbers - does it mean we have an epidemic - NOOOOO!

Let us look at the actual ABS stats

Not exactly crime central - except for robbery, which includes someone nicking your kids bike

further look reveals

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@...12~Main Features~National crime statistics~63

 

Yep, and that's why when people without an agenda are reporting statistics they report them as per 100k and not as just a pure percentage rise. Pure percentage rise doesn't tell you anything interesting.

 

you are 100% against our 2nd A. You have stuck your nose into our political realm with out any first hand knowledge or experience. You have run down America at every turn.
You claim you don't need Rights that are untouchable by your government because most aussies, favor government supporting them instead of being independent, you favor subjugating ourselves to government control,which our government has no rights, only power. With all the power it has stolen from the people.
If you choose to live as slaves to the government, then YOU do so, don't be telling us that we need to be subjugated because being a subject works for you.