Authoritarianism

Yes here is the evidence....

Misinformation is a problem. It has been so since the beginning of time. For you to say that misinformation is not a problem simply because I have not given you a solution is an outright lie. So are you gonna educate people to become better liars? Is that the solution your trying to sell?

Are you saying that Trump supporters and Fox News employees are uneducated?
Who are these uneducated people you are referring to?

 

I say misinformation isn’t the problem because it isn’t. I’ve demonstrated very clearly why it is not. You maintain that it is, yet claim there is no solution unless I accept your misinformation that it is. I know why you won’t discuss solutions to your “problem”in a thread titled “Authoritarianism”. You don’t want to win the ironic post of the week award. That’s fine. But to complain long and loud about some perceived problem without putting forth some kind of solution is not positive behavior.

In psychology, there are two types of complainers that do not offer or show interest in solutions. The first is the chronic complainer. They have a negative attitude and are only capable of dwelling on their problems. Instead of looking forward and thinking positively, they generally spiral down into unhappiness and depression.

The second type of complainer without interest in solutions is the venter. They are usually expressing personal emotional dissatisfaction. They are driven to complain as a way to get attention and validation. These people aren’t interested in solutions because solutions would remove their psychological crutch

The only “healthy” type of complainer is the instrumental complainer. They are focused on implementing existing solutions or developing new solutions.

If you would quote my entire response it would be quite clear on this page what I’m saying. I was not being cryptic when I said “anyone who does not have the ability to deal with misinformation is lacking in education”. That’s a pretty straightforward statement.

 

Lets go back to where this argument began...before you buried it as usual…
I stated my opinion…

You replied...

You tried to enforce your opinion….

Disinformation is the core issue. Your idea of educating people to sway the effects of disinformation
may or may not be a possible solution. But the core problem of disinformation remains.
And again...

And your "critical thinking" produced a statement like that?

Yes. That is simply a statement. It is also simply an opinion. Yours. But when you try to pass it off as truth without supporting it...
then it becomes misinformation.
You will find plenty of folks here that refuse to deal with misinformation...but have no problem passing it on.
They are not lacking in education.

 

No it's not my opinion. The problem is inability to deal with misinformation. Education is the solution.

The proof is in the answer to this question.

How do you know misinformation exists?

 

Because you say it does.
Right here…

And right here...

Who am I to question your authority?
Of course there are many sources you might deem less credible than yourself
like the Bible or Buddhism that address the existence of false information, but I wont waste your time quoting those.

 

Did you know it existed before I told you?

 

I know it existed before I was born.

 

Hee hee.

Your mother was a virgin, right?

When you said you were going to start quoting scripture you were serious.

So how do you know it existed before birth? I’m not going to accept your claim of eternal omniscience without further evidence.

 

History will tell you that misinformation existed before you were born.
You might say your education taught you that misinformation existed before you were born.
But it is quite clear your education will not prevent you from believing your own false ideas.

 

You are actually starting to figure it out. I’m glad. You’ve got a ways to go but you are now on the right path.

If you will remember, I informed you earlier that misinformation has been a constant.

What idea is false?

 

This one....

Misinformation will continue to exist with or without your permission.

 

Misinformation is the problem. Some people have no problems seeing through the misinformation, others can not.

 

Thank you

 

Yes, I’ve consistently told you misinformation will always exist. You really are coming around. Now you agree with me on that point. I’m actually thankful misinformation will always exist.

Have you ever considered cases where misinformation is/was used in a positive manner? Is that misinformation “the problem”?

 

No, people not being able to “see through” misinformation as you put it, is the problem.

 

Yes that is the problem. But you can't solve it by making everyone smart enough to see through it. Some people are just too gullible, and lack the mental acuity to rise above it.

 

No you're creating misinformation again.
This whole argument started with me saying this....

The fact that it exists was never an issue for me. The fact that you say it is not the core problem is wrong.
The fact that you say you can solve the problem with education is the problem.

Used in a positive manner for who?

 

I’ve not advocated for making people smart.

What do you think should be done, if anything?

 

Yeh, you keep repeating that. Nothing I’ve posted is misinformation. In fact, when called a liar, I demonstrated my post was not just my opinion, but also the conclusion the branch of psychology that uses the empirical method has come to as well.

It certainly was in your post #539. Amnesia on top of eternal omniscience. Quite a combination.

Wrong because you have your opinion or do you have anything substantive to back your claim I’m wrong?

Gotta love when a progressive starts bashing education. Try mulling over the question of how you know misinformation exists some more. You were so close to epiphany. The real underlying problem of inability to deal with misinformation is remedied with education.

You can pick I guess. Here are a few examples that have been proposed to me in the past. I’m sure you could come up with some of your own.

—Operation Mincemeat
—The misinformation that allowed the ACA to become law
—President Roosevelt supplying misinformation about the state of imminent hostilities to voters before his 1940 election that had the effect of ensuring cohesion and unity of purpose in the country when hostilities commenced in 1941.

 

Here is my post #539....

Where does it say I denied the existence of misinformation?
Everything you've said in this whole conversation has been one lie after another.
I can see now why I'mNotOliver doesn't respond to your nonsense.
He's a wise man. I'm gonna follow his lead.

 

Yes, very clearly in post #539 you bold my statement that misinformation is nothing new and proceed to mock it with your weak cancer analogy. Now you say the idea is yours and it’s great. Hmmm.

You continue to call me a liar but offer no proof. You say my opinions are wrong, I’m providing misinformation, and that I’m a liar. Yet you offer nothing but empty accusations. No proof, no logic, no reason.

This is why progressivism has no appeal to me. It’s complaining without solutions. It’s ad hominem without logic, it’s anger and “frustration” (i. e. hatred) without critical thought.

If what I was offering was nonsense, you could argue against it with something more substantial than repeated accusations of dishonesty. For some reason, conservatives/Republicans are always labeled as the ones without argument who resort to emotional defensive response. Perhaps at times they do. But they certainly do not hold a monopoly....