Authoritarianism

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  1. Sanskrit

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    More government = more authoritarian.
    Less government = less authoritarian.

    Claiming that we live in a "democracy" and then calling the simple, accurate and elegant distinction above "ignorant," "short-sighted" or "delusional" is ironic and funny.

    I know it smarts to have the obvious and constant projections of the Left exposed in this way, you'll get over it.

    Rest of the post is the same steaming pile of vague abstractions, inaccuracies and non sequiturs for which you have become known here. Not surprised.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I beat the odds. I had three siblings, they all succumbed to conservative programming. I am apparently immune to such things. I used to think that there was something wrong with me, until I realized that I had risen above it all.
     
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    Maybe someday you can rise above endorsing the forcible confiscation of other people's property. That would be awesome.
     
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    How does one prevent a woman from having an abortion without an authoritarian government to prevent her?
     
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    Once Upon a Time:

    In the real world, Conservatives are more liberal than leftists and if people understood the meaning and understood the principles, they would vote Conservative. Unless they embrace the leftist philosophy.
     
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    How does one force individual sovereign states and individuals to tolerate abortion, when a majority of those states' citizens consider it murder, without an authoritarian government to enforce abortion rights? It works both ways. Those who believe that prenatal rights exist in human progeny, and violating those rights is a serious crime, have nowhere to go to avoid what they consider murder in the status quo. THAT'S authoritarianism. And no, I'm not anti abortion, grudgingly pro.

    Further, picking and nitpicking specific examples, in a thread you started based on glittering generalities, is disingenuous. I'm not the one forwarding a projective, derisive abstraction counter to fact on my political opposition, that's you. I'm merely exposing the hypocrisy of it. You won't see me starting threads based on the "authoritarianism" of anybody, but that doesn't change that the only reasonable way for interpreting what is more or less authoritarian, if we must engage in such flights of fancy, is:

    More government = more authoritarian.
    Less government = less authoritarian.
     
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    Conservative=conformist=follower=one who submits to authority.

    Maybe you are, but I am not.
     
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    It doesn't appear you actually know what a liberal is or what a leftist is.

    Conservatives are actually more liberal. If you knew that, you would not have made this thread.
     
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    Like telling automobile manufacturers what MPG their cars must have? That sounds pretty authoritarian.
     
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    Your ideological fantasies aside, I happen to live in a quite liberal part of the world and I regularly do things with impunity that would get me years in prison in conservative states. This very real characteristic can be seen across the country as the hard core red states imprison people at a rate twice that of bright blue wonderful states.

    A lot of it has to do with the happy optimistic futuristic outlook that comes from the liberal way of thinking verses the sad pessimistic backward outlook that comes from the conservative way of thinking. In the bright blue liberal areas, government is seen by the way that we, as a community, can make all our lives better. Contrast this to the dark red conservative areas where government is seen as a tool to suppress the lower classes, to keep them in line. To persevere prejudices.

    One doesn't have to live a dark and gloomy life, one can instead step into the light and live a fun filled hedonistic liberal lifestyle and know what real freedom feels like.
     
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    You live in a Conservative area? Conservatives are liberal. Leftists, like the people running Portland, OR are anything but liberal. They just hijacked the word much in the same way Obama got Obamacare passed. Lots of lies, misinformation but ultimately Unconstitutional and bad for America.
     
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    The OP explains why you support Trump and deny fossil fuel caused global warming and I do not.

    By the way, the political ideology that most fits my personal views is the freethought movement. The political party I support is the Greens, both locally and internationally.

    The term conservative was created to describe that political movement meant to conserve the social structure that features an aristocracy that rules and commoners who are ruled. Isn't that what the Republican Party is all about, conserving the wealth and power of the aristocracy.
     
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    Since a rational conversation is not possible with the likes of you...

    Don't bother responding to my posts because I am just going to ignore whatever silliness you feel you need to spout.
     
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    No one cares where you live, no one made it an issue, yet somehow you always seem to toss that red herring in. There are no such things as "conservative" or "liberal" states any more than there are "conservative" motorcyles or "authoritarian" personalities. This or that candidate winning 52% of the vote in this or that state does not make that a "conservative" or "liberal" state. Your inability to understand the use, but mostly the limits of, generalized abstractions has done your awareness of the world around you no favors.

    What smoke weed? That's really what all this "authoritarianism" stuff is about? Why am I not surprised that you support tax and spend big-gov policies that extract 30-50% of people's lives at all levels in taxes and drown the country in true nanny statist regulations, trillions of debt... yet are going to hoist your keen insights re "authoritarianism" on... smoking weed?

    1. Makes numerous, insecure cope-trolling threads on a political forum deriding whole groups of people one obviously doesn't understand using terminology one obviously doesn't understand.

    2. Claims to have a "happy" "fun-filled" outlook.

    One of these things is not like the other.

    Oh, and:

    more government = more authoritarian
    less government = less authoritarian

    Simple, elegant, true.
     
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    You are not making any sense and it really appears you have no idea what the difference is between a leftist and a liberal.

    If you know the difference, explain it, so we know you are not just making up more of your stories.

    Conservatives are far more compassionate, far more open to equal opportunity.
     
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    Whatever government is in power be they Liberal, Conservative , Communist, Islamic, Socialist, Republic or Totalitarian Dictatorships all rely on their 'authority' to govern so does that not make them ALL authoritarian.
     
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    Like carry a semi-auto rifle?
     
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    :applause:

    Unimaginable to so many who NEED to be UNDER an authoritarian ruler!
     
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    Failure to answer the relevant corporate exploitation question effectively suspends any further discussion.
     
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    Failure to answer the living wage question is the reason you don’t have an answer to the corporate exploitation question. Everything in the proper order.
     
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    You are looking at the wrong numbers!

    Wages have STAGNATED while wealthy inequality has ballooned.

    The MASSIVE National Debt is the wealthy STEALING from our children and grandchildren.

    Two thirds of hardworking Americans can no longer afford the American Dream of owning their own home because of Corporate GREED and EXPLOITATION.

    Address those numbers because they tell the TRUTH about what has happened to We the People under the GOP's fiscal MALFEASANCE policies.
     
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    It is the GOP that is stealing your money out of your wallet but don't let the FACTS stop you.
     
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    You have expressed you opinion about the living wage and since your opinion is subjective there is nothing further to discuss in that regard.

    The CAUSE is what needs to be addressed but you won't because it exposes the FACT that GREED OBSESSED corporations are EXPLOITING hardworking Americans.

    Unless you are willing to address that FACT there is nothing to discuss.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    You brought up a concept you can’t define. How can you address the problem you perceive if you can’t define it? So if corporations are exploiting workers, to what level of compensation must we move to rectify the problem? Just guess and hope for the best? I’ve only asked for information vital to a remedy. Why won’t you supply it?
     
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    So are you agreeing that GREED OBSESSED corporations are EXPLOITING hardworking Americans?

    Yes or no?
     
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