Babies and unborn in the afterlife....

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Our reality is always controlled by our consciousness--both individual & en masse. In the physical world, the process works slowly, but in the spiritual realm, it's almost instantaneous. When people die believing theiy're going to Hell, their soul's consciousness can create hell for them to go to temporarily. That can be scary & painful until something happens to help the victim realize they're not trapped there & can leave whenever they decide.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is exactly what Dr. George Ritchie was shown.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/george-ritchie.html#a05d

     
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    In my spiritual beliefs there is no Satan. He doesn't exist. He was invented as a scape goat to take the blame for what man views as sins.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To at least some degree this is true......
    because former Covering Cherub Lucifer and his legions.......
    cannot force humans to sin.... they can only tempt us........
    which only exposes the problems within us already!
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A great explanation for the meeting of Colton Burpo with his miscarried sister in heaven is in this video:

     
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    I watched & listened to the video you posted, & agree that those in the Astral were sensitive to the teachings & belief system to which Colton was exposed on Earth, & showed him people & things that would conform to his background. I think those in the Astral are both familiar with us & our environment & our beliefs to a remarkable degree, & allow us to see only what they feel we're capable of dealing with, though sometimes they do show NDErs things that can challenge current beliefs. If we think about it, what Christians call Heaven, & some call the Astral, is there for everyone who dies, regardless of their Earthly religious beliefs. Heaven, or the Astral, doesn't really care what religion you believe in, simply because they know no religion has a complete understanding, or picture of the afterlife. But every religion has pieces of the puzzle. Several NDErs have told me they saw things that they have no way of explaining, or even understanding or even relating to from an Earthly perspective. There are things in the Astral that we don't have here, or even things that are comparable. Then there is the constant ongoing relationship between the astral & the physical realms that becomes an additional challenge to understand. There's enough to keep one busy for several lifetimes.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think that you are correct that our specific belief system is no where nearly as important as
    we tend to think that it is.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09
     
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    I'm in the best of place
    If you could see my face
    You would speak a bigger statement to save the race
    You would neer let it happen again
    Never been born
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes.. it is amazing how many Muslims meet Messiah Issa - Jesus - Yeshua during their near death experience.

    Christians who have Muslims friends are often shown some interesting things related to this as well.

    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/emanuel-tuwagirairmana.html

     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the first couple of minutes in this video Sharon Milliman reports meeting her twin brothers who had died as babies......
    but she meets them and they appear grown up.....


     
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    It is common for NDErs to report seeing relatives who died before them, appear younger than they remember them on Earth. Clearly, it is possible for spirits to appear in any form or at any age they choose. It is one of many fascinating things they can do there that would be impossible here. While the spiritual & physical realms share much in common, they are also quite different & run according to different laws of physics.
     
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    I believe the life force that would have been in one baby just moves to the next available vessel for life when one fails

    and sometimes they snap back to their previous life... when people died and went down the tunnel of light to rebirth and the vessel was no longer viable
     
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    I'd like to think the life force of abortion doctors, after they die, moves on into one of these "vessels for life that are about to fail".
     
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    I too believe in reincarnation, the life force wants to live, it will just go into the next available vessel it can find
     
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    That's not what karma originally implied. In Indian theology, the soul would move into a vessel in which it deserved.
    Karma could predict what fortune or misfortune was destined to befall that physical body in the future, and assign the soul accordingly.
     
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    yes, karma helps you learn lessons, to see things from both sides, we have many lessons to learn, some of them not as pleasant as others
     
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    Indian theology also believed that karma accumulated over a lifetime, and was dispensed in the next lifetime, or over several future lifetimes.

    That means that if you accumulated bad karma, you could expect to live the next several lifetimes as a Dalit (member of India's lowest caste), or even worse.

    Southeast Asian Buddhists had an informal belief that the souls in "Black Magic Babies" actually originated from Black Magic practitioners who had been involved in creating them in the past. (These were basically dead fetuses that were preserved to function as magical charms, as it was believed the soul would be trapped inside)
     
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    yes, if you were say a slave owner in this life, you may be born a slave in a future lifetime to learn to see the issue from both sides

    if one is a greedy rich person, may be a poor person in the next... many examples
     
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    Women who repeatedly get frivolous and pointless abortions may be accumulating bad karma.
     
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    This Twilight Zone 1985 was pretty naive. It assures us that this women that chooses to be a photographer over being a mom (Just like the protagonist in the, "Stepford Wives") will have kids later. People like Kate Bolick might beg to differ.



    The show seems to suggest this kid (Scott Grimes) is the ghost of the child she will not have now but I think it is the spirit of one aborted.
     
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    People who want to take away the basic human right of bodily autonomy from 51% of the population may be accumulating bad karma ….
     
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    Here' another good one:

    A person who thinks women should not have the right of bodily autonomy should come back as someone who can get pregnant, a poor woman with no resources...
     
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    The greater sin is by the mega-wealthy who follow the teachings of Robert Thomas Malthus
    who taught against giving to the poor.......
    based on his idea that the poor would over populate the earth and cause themselves to die in
    famine, pestilence or warfare.......

    .. so being good to the poor as taught by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was ignored.......

    and methods were designed to even put economic pressure on women who are not wealthy to abort their children due to their relative poverty.... ......

    This is a far greater evil because anybody with the most basic understanding of the idea of Compound Interest over time will know where a terribly flawed central banking policy will lead........


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus
     
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    From what I have read all of us reincarnate all over the spectrum of race, sex and positions of power in society.... or the lack thereof........

    All of chapter five is on reincarnation as shown to near death experiencer Christian Andreason.....

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
    ....
     

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