Baby Donald will declare a national emergency.

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, you calling Obama a liar? He called it a crisis more than once. Democrats did a total 180 on border security when Trump was elected. Tell me why?
     
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    Democrats won't see the WH for another 12 years at least.
     
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    Turtlehead is supporting this nonsense. He describes the emergency declaration the exact same way I would describe his support for the tyrant and his fake emergency: “predictable and understandable”
     
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    I think you meant "months." :lol:
     
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    Some. However, you have not explained how sensors will stop anyone except adding a lot of border patrol. Border patrol is also expensive and the cost never goes away. At least the cost of a wall decreases after you build it.

    And by the way, I think we need a wall, sensors and border patrol.
     
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    No. Obama got it right. It is indeed a humanitarian crisis. Not a National Emergency.

    Do you ever wonder why it is that you Trump supporters always get it wrong?
     
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    I’ve stated twice now that Border Patrol is what would be stopping people, wall or no wall. Sensors are for detection and tracking.

    Walls cost maintenance after they are built.
     
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    The Times reports, "President Trump declared a national emergency at the border on Friday to access billions of dollars to build a border wall that Congress refused to give him, transforming a highly charged policy dispute into a fundamental confrontation over separation of powers.

    "In a televised announcement in the Rose Garden, Mr. Trump said he would sign the declaration to protect the country from the flow of drugs, criminals and illegal immigrants coming across the border from Mexico, which he characterized as a profound threat to national security."

    In the first place, Trump has this moronic idea that a border wall will stop criminals and drugs from entering our country. He mistakenly associates various crimes by illegal aliens to a border wall. Notice how he avoids mentioning the wall. “We’re going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border and we’re going to do it one way or the other. It’s an invasion. We have an invasion of drugs and criminals coming into our country. We don't control our own border. We're going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border and we're going to do it -- one way or the other we have to do it.”

    "IT!" He knows his wall is stupid and ineffectual, and he avoids using the term. The majority of drugs come through ports of entry, and his wall will not even slow down criminals from entering our country. He wants the wall because he made an outrageous campaign promise that is already broken. Mexico is not going to pay for any wall. Unfortunately, 60 million Americans have forgotten that fact, somehow think Trump's wall will stop crime, and support his medieval wall instead of 21st Century methods that will do a better job at less cost.

    In the second place, either intentionally or inadvertently, Trump is acting like a Russian agent. Putin's dream is to weaken the American government and throw it into chaos.

    In December, contrary to the wishes of his own party, Trump proudly shut down the government over his border wall. It was the longest shutdown in American history. Now he is challenging the Separation of Powers concept contained in our Constitution, once again in opposition to his own party along with the Democrats. Congress appropriates funds. Trump wants to challenge Congress and go around the legislative branch.

    In other words, Trump, all on his own, is creating a Constitutional crisis. Putin has to be smiling. He could not be more pleased with what Trump is doing.

    Either by accident or by design or through sheer stupidity, Trump is acting like an agent for the Russian Federation. I do not understand how Americans who represent his fan base can support him on this. What in the world is their rationale?

    Or, are they ignoring reality? Again?
     
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    By stop the humanitarian crisis, he actually means stop the US from giving humanitarian aid. He has stated more than once that he wants to end all asylum and kick out not just illegals, but those who have already been granted asylum as well.
     
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    So over 1 a day dying trying to cross but now it is not a crisis because TDS. Got it.
     
  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What will the Repub senators who voted for the funding bill do if they are presented with the choice of supporting or rejecting a resolution on Don's phony national emergency? Their vote for the $1.4B in wall funding is a tacit admission there is no emergency.
     
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    My favorite part of Don's rambling, at times incoherent press event was when reporters pushed him on what sources he used in lying about all manner of things regarding border security........especially where about 80% of the drugs are being brought over the border (ports of entry). His reply.......tell more lies.....and or say "next question." Anyone who watched the event has to be embarrassed a minority of Americans voted for someone so clearly unqualified.
     
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    Prepare all you want. Swim the river holding your 35' ladder or your grappling hook. You'll be dead before you even get to the wall.....thereby doing us a favor.

    If you got a ride to the border in the desert, I'd pay good money to see you jump from 35' up.

    But it's much easier to flap gums on the internet about things you don't know.
     
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    Why would I jump? Ladder up, rope down. Pretty simple.
     
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    You know you are living in the Twilight Zone when the importance of keeping a campaign promise, that millions of americans see a need for, is suddenly such a bad, negative, unspeakable thing! ha ha

    Good for trump! The other tribe has been reduced to absurdity, trying to manufacture keeping a campaign promise into something tremendously evil and nefarious! But it cannot be done, no matter how hard one tries. A for effort though.
     
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    Only thing you don't "got" is the difference between humanitarian crisis and a national emergency. But that would be expected from any uneducated Trump supporter. What is not expected is that you actually want your feigned concern for the life of illegal aliens to be considered anything other than hypocrisy.
     
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    Obama and Trump declared it a humanitarian crisis. The fentanyl epidemic certainly is. Congress gave Presidents the statutory authority to secure our borders.
     
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    Be my guest and we'll see how it works out. Regardless, even if you were in good enough shape, 90% of illegals are either too fat, unhealthy or are kids........I'll take a 90% reduction of illegal crossings every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
     
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    Are these the same illegals that are supposedly super murderers and rapists and who are going to take all of our jobs?
     
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    Trump is making a mistake by signing that national emergency paperwork. The border wall is NOT an emergency.
    I hope the Republicans don't get upset when the next Democrat President does this to get around Congress. It's only a matter of time.
     
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    I guess I don’t see what you are concerned about. Do you think Trump is going to go down there and pay eminent domain purchases with his own money? Apparently congress has already allocated some funding for border security acquisitions. Do you know if Congress creates a slush fund or do they allocate on case by case basis?
     
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    Except all he needs is a vague statute giving him emergency powers which can't be overridden absent legislation he would sign or which passes by an override majority. Which Congress passed decades ago and which has withstood multiple tests. Its not going away, just like we're not getting liberty of contract back. To override it the establishment would have to kill many of its pet rulings, and they won't do that.
     
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    However, the intruders will be a mile away for each 15 minutes it takes the border to patrol to get there with nothing to slow them down. Say there is a fifteen minute response time. The illegals will have traveled a mile by the time they get there and will keep on travelling while they are looking for them. It simply will not work. Just like it is not working now.
     
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    "Vague statues" can't overrule the Constitution. You wan the Constitution changed, that will require an amendment. The spending clause has withstood multiple tests, including getting pitted against a President claiming that national security lets me circumvent it:

     
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