Baby Lives Matter

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  1. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    Actually the rights do conflict, but you are looking at it in the wrong manner. His right to smoke conflicts with your right to not be exposed to smoke. Since the later causes harm to another (the exposure to smoke), at least in potential, that is the right that trumps. However, if the smoking is on his own property, say in his house, then his property rights trump your rights to non-exposure, because you do not have a right to be on his property. Likewise, his right to smoke is trumped by your property rights if you tell him not to smoke on your property.
     
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    You are clearly failing to see the obvious. When you smoke adjacent to me there is a conflict of rights as I am breathing your filth without making the decision to do do.
     
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    Ok lets pace this in the context of abortion. The woman's right to control her body conflicts with the child in utero's basic right to life. First let's examine the level of the rights involved. The basic right to life of an individual versus a woman's right to control her body for 9 months, hmmmm can't argue the child has the greater or higher level right. Next lets talk about how the woman exercising her right causes not only harm but actual death to the child. This really is a no brainer to thinking people.
     
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  4. Maquiscat

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    Which proves that you are not thinking. You failed to answer my earlier question, which is also very telling. Context of a situation dictates which right overrides another. I have illustrated that several times, showing how a certain right might trump another in one situation, but be trumped by it in another. In the same manner that that a woman can withdraw consent to her body in the middle of sex, so too can she with anything else regarding her body. And likewise, if the person will not relinquish when she withdrawn consent to sex, she is allowed to do whatever to end that use, up to killing them. The principle is no different.

    The only real difference right now is that there is no other method available for the termination of the pregnancy. That is what her actual right is. In the parallel, there is a chance to end the sex without killing the other being. IF there were a way to remove the ZEF live with no additional physical trauma to the woman's body, THEN there can be a true argument as to whether or not the woman has any right to terminate the ZEF itself, because the issue of her bodily resources and autonomy are now moot. She can terminate the pregnancy and after that, her autonomy ends. She has no right, now or in this hypothetical situation, to terminate a ZEF that is not in her own body
     
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    Well said. The baby is a living growing human being and unless the mother's life is at risk the baby should be allowed to be born.

    The Democrats think genocide is ok for those they do not want. What a sad world we live in.
     
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    I call it a living growing human being.

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    Shrug, call it what you want....so what...

    That doesn't change or refute a word of:


    Fetuses have no rights.

    BORN people do.


    See how simple that is ??????
     
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    You obviously don't know the meaning of the word "genocide" but if drama is all ya got , you'll use it :)

    Why would you advocate "genocide" if the woman's life was in danger?
     
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    That is only the law of Democrats who lied about Roe vs Wade.

    A baby should have rights since it is alive.
     
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    Over 60 million babies aborted. More deaths than Jews during WW2. That's genocide.

    If the mother is going to die but can be saved if the baby is killed the mother should be allowed to live. It is sad that has to happen but the mother who has already been on earth for decades should get continue her life.

    That is the only time I would consider abortion. In that case a life is going to be taken regardless who dies. I'm glad I'm not the one taking it.
     
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    WHAT lie did Democrats tell about RvW...RvW is available for anyone to read...


    A baby does have rights......but everything that's alive doesn't....unless you want dogs and cows and carrots and my big toe to have rights...
     
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    NUMBERS do NOT make the defintion!
    More people were killed in the Civil War...that was NOT genocide.

    AND TO COMPARE THE QUICK PAINLESS DEATH OF A ZEF TO THE HORROR , UNBELIEVABLE SUFFERING, TORTURE AND DEATHS of Jews is

    DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING and SICK.





    OH, so you think "length of life " counts....so how about the shortest life?


    Ya, isn't life easier for you if it's someone else's problem....easier to pontificate than to actually be involved...
     
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    To whom?
     
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    Please stop invoking Godwin and look up the definition of genocide
     
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    It's not a matter of whether a ZEF has rights or not. It's a matter of whether you allow the right of life to override the right to bodily autonomy. If you do believe that, then we'll send some people down to collect blood and spare organs from you since the right of others to live overrides your right bodily autonomy.
     
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    The fetus has no rights because it is not yet a person. Rights do not apply to potentials and there is thus no conflict of rights in this scenario.
     
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    What a ridiculous and disgusting comparison.
     
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    Not when you consider the percentage of the population that is black and the percentage of babies aborted who are black. Makes sense actually.
     
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    That is clearly incorrect. The UVVA recognizes they are human beings and entitled to not be violently victimized.
    Even abortion laws prevent fetuses from being aborted at certain ages, so they are clearly human beings and persons since there is no significant difference between the two.
     
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    Basic right to life vs right to bodily autonomy for about 9 months. Hmmmm. come on man. it would be insane to give the nod to the 9 month autonomy right.
     
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    LOL, clearly it not me who is not thinking.
     
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    A fetus is a human being, not a potential human being. You are buying some used car salesman argument for abortion based on nonsense.
     
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    Once again, for the millionth time, the UVVA does NOT grant rights, it grants PROTECTIONS.
    It NEVER says a fetus is a born person with rights.


     
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    NO, the fetus is not A human being as in legal person.

    A human fetus is human (adjective).




    WHY do you want a fetus to have more rights than anyone else has??
     
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    SOOOOOOOOOO easy to say when it isn't YOU who has to lose rights for 9 months, as if you have committed a crime.

    So you believe women should be no more than slaves because they had sex.....do you know what that says about you?





    No, insanity is believing that women who had sex and got pregnant were criminals who should be punished...

    Insanity is believing a fetus should have more rights than anyone else...
     
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