Bannon: 'The Trump Presidency That We Fought For, and Won, Is Over.'

Pretty sure he's referring to the campaign.

 

Right. But that now makes two parties that stand for nothing.
This country is doomed, no doubt.

 

At some point, Trump FanBoys are going to have to take some personal inventory and realize that when Trump has lost the support of the business community, when he is own staff is involved in a circular firing squad and numerous Trump appointees are either being fired or are quitting their posts,
when the generals are looking askance at his Twitter directives and when he is getting condemned by his own party ... they might eventually have to look in the mirror and admit that maybe it just isn't everybody else who is screwed up.

It's kind of like the guy who goes through four wives, and can't quite figure out why they are leaving his wonderful self. Mirrors, folks. They're not just for shaving.

 

No, there's one party that wants to help and work with all Americans and there's another party that wants to divide America and promote racism and hate between Americans. The President's job is to bring Americans together... ask yourself, has Trump brought all Americans together?

 

Trump can't even get his own White House staff together.

 

Good points.

But, I would take the Nixon White House 1000x over (compared to this Egregious Trump Trainwreck).

Regardless of his ethical shortcomings, at least Nixon was a COMPETENT politician (and had decades of elected experience).

The Presidency is not the place for "on-the-job training".

Especially, for someone (like Trump) who has the temperament of a hormonal 11-year-old Instagram Queen.

 

The President is an executor, not a legislator, so the fact that he hasn't constructed legislation isn't a big deal. All first term legislators have no legislative experience, and legislation is actually their job. As for not liking government or the people in it, well, most people hold that view, so if someone is going to truly represent the People, then they should have that view.

 

It IS a big deal when he appoints a staff that also has little experience crafting legislation or he doesn't listen to those who have experience. The rollout of his travel bans is a perfect illustration. First term legislators usually listen to more senior legislators their first year. They rarely introduce their own legislation that first year. Trump tried to force things and the courts shot him down precisely because he didn't listen to people with more experience.

Having an agenda is not the same as having the experience to implement that agenda.

 

In the past that was mostly true. Given the alternative and his campaign promises, the people voted for his type of change platform over the change promises of the previous administration. I think he has made some mistakes and has been given some bad advice. I also think democrats have made things as difficult as the possible for him. He set his expectations too high thinking he would be able to quickly fix Washington. I think he will survive no matter what. He's stubborn. He has support outside of DC mainly because the people who voted for him see more than ever how broken and corrupt DC politicians really are.

 

So you use the travel ban as your example, and say the "courts shot him down"? The SCOTUS upheld the travel ban, so the overturned opinions of lower courts are insignificant. "The courts" did not "shoot him down', the lower courts merely delayed a clearly legal action. And the travel ban isn't legislation, so again, Trump's inexperience with legislation is irrelevant.

 

Actually, for those of us who have been around him for years, he's not that stubborn. He has been a "cut and run," guy when things get a little tough (hence the bankruptcies). He is prideful, that's what you see.

And the opposition party has ALWAYS made it tough for Presidents, so that's a poor excuse - the problem isn't that Democrats have made it tough - it's that Trump made, and is making, enemies among the Republicans. Rand Paul hates Trump with a passion. Cruz detests Trump. McCain loathes Trump. And many others find him difficult at best. Trump has proven to be terrible at building the coalitions a President needs to build to get legislation passed.

 

SCOTUS only upheld parts of Trump's travel ban and allowed other parts of the lower court decisions to stand. So you're only partially correct.
And if Trump's inexperience is irrelevant then he was able to build a coalition to get Obamacare repealed and replaced, right ... oh, wait.
And we haven't even got to tax reform or the budget debate.

 

OK, so we're pivoting to Obamacare. Well, again, legislation is the responsibility of legislators. The GOP in congress had 7 years to come up with a replacement for the ACA. It is ridiculous to put that on Trump.

 

Then you don't understand what White House coalition building is all about - and neither does Trump. You think Johnson sat on his ass when Civil Rights legislation was being put together in Congress? Hell, no. He brought Congressmen into the Oval Office and BUILT a coalition to pass it.

 

I understand that a president CAN twist arms like Johnson did. However, in the case of Obamacare, legislation should have been written years in advance, and no arm twisting should have been necessary. It was on the GOP agenda long before Trump arrived on the scene.

 

We are a civilization, and therefore have government - it's not as if it is a choice.

Despising government is NOT some sort of advantage. What we need is someone who will lead toward a government that is as good as a government for a nation of our size and complexity could possibly be.

For that, we need someone both capable and seriously interested in moving toward effective government - not someone who has zero respect for government and can't even find nominees who last more than a few months.

Trump is NOT that person who is capable and interested. He's not accomplishing anything. He's making NO attempt to bring America together. He's not even leading his own party. He's alienating our allies. And, his "government" is in 24/7 chaos.

 

Interestingly multiple pastors have resigned from working for trump, citing moral concerns.

 

Being Trump, he may switch to the dems.
What a predicament, eh?
Would there be a frenzy of musical chairs switching among the trumpsters and the anti-trumpsters?
Could we plagiarize each other's old posts here to save time on the ensuing food fights?
I think that we should stick Trump in a Truman Show and then we could enjoy his insane antics without having to worry about the consequences.
I have to admit that I'm finding Trump's disasters very entertaining, even as I realize the deplorable consequences.

 

LMAO...So you hired a paunchy, old coward to be your SJW, eh?
If you had done your homework, you would have known that your great orange hope cuts and runs from most of his fights and his only victories have come from screwing over those too weak to fight back.
And if you had any life experience at all, you would know that a moral compass is an essential strength and the only thing that really makes us worth anything to ourselves or anyone else.

 

In the case of Donald Trump, there is no point in making concessions.

 

He will not be welcome.

The GOP sold its soul to this vulgar defective man child.

And now, the country is reaping the whirlwind.

 

I enjoy you. Keep talking and really open your mouth in 2018 and 2020. Push it.

 

I agree that a character like Trump should not be welcome as a public servant by any party or any voter, based on his own personal history, which has been very well documented as part of the public record going back decades.
In fact, with both Trump and Clinton, we had a decades-long record of behavior and actions and words to compare and reflect on.
Some of the attacks on Trump are merely normal political posturing, but a growing number of attacks have focused on his character and behavior, which are sorely defective.
We've never had this problem before in modern times, where the instability and incompetence of a potus are coming together in a dangerous way. With Nixon, we had the instability at the end during Watergate, but nobody doubted his competence as a president or his ultimate respect for the country.
Trump is congenitally incapable of thinking and acting like a public servant who loves his or her country and its people and has dedicated their time on earth to engaging with the challenges and problems of learning to run a country and a diverse society.
He can't do the job without rebuilding his entire set of values and his character, and we all know the chances of that.
These are unchartered waters for the country, and it's interesting to see how it will play out.

 

Heck, Steve's likely coordinating with the Mercers and the Russians right now to tear even more at the fabric of America.

 

That is because the things you quoted are exactly the things that Americans that voted for Trump are all about. There is too much government and too many laws written by too many people with too many agendas that hurt too many Americans. It is not the job of the President to construct legislation but to execute legislation passed by Congress. The Congress and House of Representatives, over the years in their own cowardly way, have abandoned legislating and laid the groundwork for programs to have the Presidents input and fingerprints on them so that it case it becomes bad law they can blame it on him.

Government is meant to work for the country not special interest groups. When you have all branches of government pushing their own political agenda and creating law that is detrimental to the welfare of the country you are going to create much animosity towards those in charge. We are for the most part a two party system. Unfortunately we have become a country that has become "win and protect" at all costs. When you have collusion of the CIA, FBI, NSA, the courts, the media, the Congress and "All the Presidents Men and Woman" involved in corruption I can understand some of the personal animosity.

It is the way I and many of my friends see things. That is why we voted for Trump. He was the anti- Hillary candidate. She, her family and associates had corruption written all over them. There was no other choice.