Believe in yourself instead of believing in a magical “prophet”

You are not wrong. But modern Secular Humanism is not afraid of seeking the truth and growing intellectually, but religions are deathly afraid of that, or in their texts they'd actually encourage people to improve the doctrines of their texts (Bible, etc.). Modern Secular Humanist texts basically do that. MSH 1, religion 0.

 

But there is more in religion (kill gays, treat women as 1/2 a man, Jews are scum, kill apostates, the earth is flat, the earth is 6000 years old, etc.) The internet will improve, but religious people are too intellectually weak to improve their texts. My money is on the internet....no talking donkeys on the internet.

 

Based on the comments of the past three pages, it is easy to see that non-theists who promote such an ideology are nothing more and nothing less than 'self worshipers'. Ego maniacs. Congratulations to all who have posted thus far, as it gives all the theists who read this thread a better understanding of you and the plight that you are confronted with. Thanks for the input.

 

I believe in science, humanity, reason, the truth, and common sense, not fairy tales invented by self-serving "prophets".

 

What is the name of this thread? Oh yeah! "Believe in yourself instead of believing in a magical “prophet”" . It would seem that you are attempting to name yourself as one of those 'self serving prophets'. As for your contention about your belief in 'the truth'... that is questionable considering the conflict between your OP and the statement of yours above.

 

We should believe in ourselves more than self-serving divine-claiming prophets, because we don't claim to be divine (I should have said.) I don't claim to be a divine prophet, I'm not divine. I don't claim unproven magic like Jesus or the Sai Baba.

I believe in myself because, unlike say Mohammad, I'm a moral person. I don't rape children, Mohammad did; I don't rape slaves, Mohammad did; I don't say that women's testimony is worth 1/2 that of a man, Mohammad did, etc.


Examples of one Abrahamic faith's appalling treatment of women:

Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.

Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.

Qur'an (2:22 - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).

Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).

Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.

Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/010-women-worth-less.htm

 

I'm not asking y'all to put me up and feed me, but Jesus/Mohammad got exactly that. They were self-serving. I'm not advocating FreedomSeekerism, I'm advocating modern Secular Humanism. I'm better than those 2 were. I don't accept slavery for one thing, they both did.

 

If this is true then how could we have faith in him? How could we worship him? What would the point be of thinking about him at all?

Every time I hear a Christian say "you can't know God" or "he works in mysterious ways" I respond by asking why it is that you think you could base your life around something you can't understand let alone tell others how to live theirs.

 

So are you self serving. You plainly admit it when promoting the concept of believing in yourself. So, if you are promoting believing in yourself, then why don't you go out there and correct all those injustices that you are desiring to blame God for having done? I know why you don't...... You have no confidence in yourself, even though you want others to believe like you do. error, error, error .... in your logic.

 

In response to your opening statement of believing in yourself instead of a magical prophet:

It is well known that the majority of liberals, socialists, progressives, communists and marxists are atheists. Having said that, the aforementioned groups of liberals all believe in collectivism. Having said that, does the OP believe that collectivists/atheists believe in themselves or do they believe in the collective/big government society as it mirrors their group ideology?

 

Does this mean that you are equating atheists as members of those collective groups?

 

God's into doing useless (*)(*)(*)(*). In fact, he's all about useless (*)(*)(*)(*). We have hundreds of examples in the Bible of God doing useless (*)(*)(*)(*): speaking to people from burning bushes, parting waters, demanding elaborate sacrifices and genocide, etc. There's a person getting raped every four seconds or so but God is busy helping some white guy in the U.S. get a promotion and marry the woman of his dreams. If he's real, he's a dick.

 

Yeah, that's what I said. Most, if not alll of the leftists who ran the Bolshevik Revolution which slaughtered tens of millions of Christians were atheists and were jewish. That was once such collective atheist group.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

What do slaves get in Christianity? Nothing!

Galatians 4:21-31

The Message (MSG)

[SUP]21-31 [/SUP]Tell me now, you who have become so enamored with the law: Have you paid close attention to that law? Abraham, remember, had two sons: one by the slave woman and one by the free woman. The son of the slave woman was born by human connivance; the son of the free woman was born by God’s promise. This illustrates the very thing we are dealing with now. The two births represent two ways of being in relationship with God. One is from Mount Sinai in Arabia. It corresponds with what is now going on in Jerusalem—a slave life, producing slaves as offspring. This is the way of Hagar. In contrast to that, there is an invisible Jerusalem, a free Jerusalem, and she is our mother—this is the way of Sarah. Remember what Isaiah wrote:
Rejoice, barren woman who bears no children,
shout and cry out, woman who has no birth pangs,
Because the children of the barren woman
now surpass the children of the chosen woman.

Isn’t it clear, friends, that you, like Isaac, are children of promise? In the days of Hagar and Sarah, the child who came from faithless connivance (Ishmael) harassed the child who came—empowered by the Spirit—from the faithful promise (Isaac). Isn’t it clear that the harassment you are now experiencing from the Jerusalem heretics follows that old pattern? There is a Scripture that tells us what to do: “Expel the slave mother with her son, for the slave son will not inherit with the free son.” Isn’t that conclusive? We are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

 

I'd say you can know of his love. A child doesn't stop loving his parents because he doesn't fully understand their ways.

 

It would be a form of self-reliance, at least until we win enough respect from the gods and get permission for a new Tower of Babel.

 

Obviously there are misunderstanding here.

1) Planet earth is a cursed land, not a paradise. To simply put, you as sinners don't deserve a cure.

2) Everyone dies, one way or another. That's primary purpose of this cursed planet earth.

You are apparantly overrated you own importance to think that you should be cured.

3) Christ purpose here is not cure, which you apparantly misunderstood. He's here to bring faith for the sake of saving souls. He uses miracles simply as a sign or approval for His deed here, and His deed here to bring in a covenant of faith to save souls.

 

No, he doesn't love, he killed all innocent baby bunnies, all innocent baby humans, etc. in his "flood" (except for Noah's gang, allegedly)....Hitler wouldn't even do that, so your god is worse than Hitler. The Christian's invisible friend in the sky is the worse creature to have ever lived, or he's not real in the first place.

 

God did exist, but not as some magical spirit. God was what are ignorant primitive ancestors called the aliens that visit earth to study our developing culture. In fact, some legends even say that we are the product of a science experiment that involved splicing the DNA of Neanderthals and Aliens. The legend of the Adamu is a prime example.

 

I'm sure that space aliens exist throughout the universe. I'm also sure that no space alien of any kind has ever been to Earth at any time. Space aliens make for good movies. But so do zombies, werewolves, and vampires.

 

Where is your evidence that warrants such certainty in your belief?

 

For one thing the distances are too great. There are no similar Earth-type planets anywhere close by. A space vessel would have to be 100% reliable to make an interstellar voyage. There's the problem of food and fuel. There are economic and financial problems. Societies change, so by the time they get here and get back their world will be completely different. There's the problem of communication and aging. Our worlds are different - atmospheres, gravities, etc.

Space travel makes good sci-fi but lousy reality.

 

Distance is a big factor. Distances of stars are measured in light years, meaning we are not looking at a real time picture of the cosmos. What about a wormwhole though? What kind of advances could a species make to make a long trip not so long if they had thousands of years to work on it?

 

I would believe in myself much more if I were a magical prophet.