Bernie the communist

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Keep telling yourself that. You’d be wrong. Few if any nations are just one type of economy. They are all mixed economies. Economics. 101.
    https://www.reference.com/world-view/countries-mixed-economy-d41b051f4f448a94
     
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  2. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    So what branch of science is liberalism? Liberalism is not science, I hope you can see that.
     
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    Fascist label fellow Americans as communists.
     
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    Did I call it a branch of science.....? Answer....no. . It’s ok to use a dictionary too. No one thinks less of anyone if they do.
    Look up “liberal.”
    This is the definition scientists use for liberal...
    “willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas:”
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Communist label fellow Americans fascist.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    No, you directly stated most biologists are liberals. See the correlation?
     
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    OK. You think I am communist.
    But you did not deny being fascist. I will deny being communist.

    And I only followed the OP lead in labeling for the sole purpose of hate of fellow Americans.
    I personally don't hate fellow Americans because they have a different view point. And I don't start thread claiming such.

    Do you actually know the definition of communist?
     
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    No. You make no sense. I told you the definition I used for liberal. It’s not my fault you refuse to read it.
     
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    This isn't that hard. Once you separate words into their roots, things become clear. Commune*ist. Think Commune as in an early Israeli Kibbutz. Everyone contributes and everyone shares equally. Social*ist is less exact because societies take many forms but not commune types. It doesn't imply a communal existence.
     
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    Since social involves “allies or confederate”, it’s simply acknowledging group behavior for a common cause. In the insurance business, it has long been acknowledged that the healthy pay for the sick. There is no other way. If profit for an entity that controls it is involved, it’s not true socialism. Socialism allows full non profit benefits to the group. It’s not rare. It’s common and in the free world, it’s necessary. We hVe long acknowledged police and fire departments should be non profit like an insurance plan, the benefits should be shared by all.

    It’s even more important in healthcare. Inhibiting healthcare and keeping it from those who can’t afford it, drives up the effects of diseases and increases the total cost in wealth and human suffering for everyone. Smart societies insure everyone.

    It helps cut crime as well. Criminals have to make choices. They may be able to get emergency treatment anywhere ( but don’t count on it with police there) , but it’s impossible to live a life of crime and expect cancer treatments unless it's in jail.

    Universal Healthcare is an all round great deal for everyone, including employers and the economy in general. The ACA immediately was responsible for big spikes in job growth and was a big factor inrecession recovery.
    It’s a no brainier.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    the only newspapers in the world that agree with you are owned by Rupert Murdoch. The only TV station in the world that agrees with you is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Rush Limbaugh is a big fat bought off scumbag liar idiot. Every other media in the world and law enforcement thinks you are brainwashed functional moron. Change the channel and maybe you can understand reality.GOP politicians are also bought off idiot hypocrites who are scared shittless of the orange mobbed-up clown. Sorry about reality. You believe hundreds of phony scandals that have no evidence behind them have been totally discredited of course your propaganda machine refuses to retract anything so you still believe them. Poor America. Do you want a diagram?
     
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    Well said....that’s what I assumed was the basis for most of the right’s posts.
    Thanks for clarifying that.
     
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    Bernie is NOT a communist. Socialism & Communism were NEVER more alike to each other than Socialism & Capitalism. But our Cold War propaganda tried successfully to blur the differences in the mind of the public. Today, we suffer from that success, because it distorts the truth. Socialism, like any system, can be corrupted & abused. Extremists in ANY philosophy, always end up creating a monster out of whatever perspective they adhere to. Extremism is the enemy, not the general idea of that system. Communism is itself, an EXTREMIST view. Socialism comes in many varieties, & some forms have been extremist monstrosities. But what Bernie Sanders supports is "Democratic Socialism," which is a positive-thinking form that works with Capitalism to strengthen the economy, while adhering to fundamental human rights to avoid the excesses that lead to dictatorships. There are several strong examples of successful Democratic Socialist states currently in W Europe, including Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, & others. Denmark has won the world's highest recognition for the happiest population of any nation on the planet, twice. If you dig into why, you'll see the advantages Democratic Socialism has over any other system, including our own. The problem in America is that too many Americans are trapped in Cold War propaganda, which intentionally blurred the distinctions between Socialism & Communism, & convinced the American public--wrongly--that the two were basically the same. They certainly aren't. Communism has ALWAYS evolved quickly into a totalitarian dictatorship, with little to no human rights respected. Socialism has examples of similar outcomes, but none of the "Democratic Socialist" countries have gone down that destructive path. They represent some of the most democratic countries in the world today, & have more human rights than we do here in the U.S. Bernie is right in his charge that American Capitalism has gradually allowed the wealthiest 2% of our population gain control over 98% of our national wealth, along with all the political power within the established government. Trump is a core member of that elite 2%. Expecting him to correct that disparity is like electing the fox to guard the hen house & expect all the chickens to be kept safe. I hope the American voters are smarter than that in 2020.
     
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    And you imagine Bernie is not in the 2%?
    I'll take Lenin's word on the topic. "The goal of socialism is Communism. I'm thinking he was pretty informed on the topic.
     
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    Does not say much for posts from many on the left.
     
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    I actually posts on forums more than watching the news so I get plenty of moronic news from posters like you. So there is that. Glad you think a monopoly on news media is so great. Ministry of truth ring a bell? And BTW, you are just an old poopy head...see, I can act like a child too.
     
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    Trump, Putin, now Lenin. At least the rights distain for our way of life is consistent. Just move to Russia if you’d rather be there with your most trusted sources.
     
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    I'll need to whack myself in the head with a hammer to understand this gibberish. Hold on, be right back...
     
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    you say stupid, I say ignorant. Communism and Socialism are not the same unless of course you are Trump or one of his education impaired worshippers.
     
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    You heard it. You support Trump whom supports Putin....now you’re into Stalin. I think that pretty much indicates the right’s infatuation with dictators,
     
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    We don’t have to move at the rate Trump is selling out to Russia. They are coming to us thanks to Trumpie.
     
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    Lenin was informed on the topic, & equally prejudiced in his opinions. Lenin WAS a communist, & he wanted to promote the idea that Socialism was a stepping stone toward what he liked best--communism. That was good propaganda for him & his cause. But, like American propaganda against socialism, Lenin lied. Socialism is Capitalism with a heart. Communism doesn't even allow capitalism, so how can anyone claim they are the same or even related?
     
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    Every other modern country is socialist. "We are all socialists now!"---president of Finland went Obamacare passed. That's all we need to be a socialist country, barely thanks to the GOP. Lenin was a lying propagandist who was saying that there was some democracy in the USSR. In the Soviets or committees. Took a while to figure out there wasn't with all the secrecy. Every other country has a living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly tax the rich more than everybody else for crying out loud. Thanks GOP and propaganda which is the only thing that makes this mess possible.
     
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    Of course he is he wrote 2 best sellers at least it's all in his tax returns.
     
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    That explains everything.
     

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