Biden on Putin: 'I think he is a war criminal'

Good point. Biden can F&ck up anything. Even good things. I think Joe's benefactors and donors wanted to get more out of this war. Perhaps Joe is trying to goad Putin to not take a deal for peace so his donors get more money....

 

Russian disarmament is nothing more than a fools dream. Only way they fully disarm is by sending their entire arsenal to us via a ballistic missile!

 

Not all conservative right-wingers, like me, want to see Trump in office again, even though I DID vote for him -- twice! Frankly, the Democrat candidates, including Biden, were just too stupidly 'woke', irresponsible, and America-hating for my consideration. That said, nobody, including us on the Right, wants WWIII. But, consider --

A lot of right-wing Conservatives despised the greatest of all Democrat liberals, FDR, throughout all of the 1930's, but when it became crystal-clear that if the United States didn't come to Britain's aid with lots of wartime materiel, ships, and other aid, Hitler would own ALL of Western Europe, Conservatives put aside their internal grievances the Democrats and enabled the English to continue fighting right on up to Pearl Harbor and beyond to the war's end! And there were relatively few here who said, "Ooh, we mustn't help England because that'll really piss the Nazis off at us!"
Hint: if you back away in cowardice from a vicious bully, he SMELLS it, and you practically guarantee his victory!

Another hint: Hitler wasn't satisfied with getting the Ruhr back from France, annexing Austria, annexing the 'Sudetenland', and seizing all of Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia, and Memel. Now... will Putin be satisfied with eventually 'annexing' all of Ukraine east of the Dnieper River? Would he be satisfied with exerting total control over all of Ukraine? Might he not also think it prudent to defend Russia from NATO by invading Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia? And how about Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania, on and on.... Are men like Hitler, Stalin, or Putin ever really CONTENT once they get rolling?

 

You mean how Assad gassed his own people with Russian help.

 

I do remember the shifting "red line" that we did nothing to follow through on. It set a precedence for other nations that the US will not follow through.

Least not also forget what Saudi Arabia is doing to Yemen? Hundreds of thousands have been slaughtered there, yet our focus remains on White Europe.

 

Maybe all that puffing around is the real problem and honesty is the right call.

 

Russia wasn't in the war during the Sarin Attack in 2013 .. and they have yet to pin responsibility - and very few people died .. 8 confirmed gaves. The idea that Russia was involved - "helped" is presposterous nonsense on steroids.

Now in the case of Rotten Ronnie .. Many thousands killed - What happens when you use real chemical weapons -- not the "false flag" kind.

Which side did you favor in the Syrian war - Syrian Army - Assad or the Islamic State (Al Qaeda-ISIS) ?

 

Declare a no fly zone, and approve that polish mig transfer to Ukraine would be a start.
Give them iron dome tech like we do with the israelis would be another.

 

The civil war in Syria had far more than 2 sides.

 

It wouldn't work because limited nukes may be defeated by countermeasures (subs less likely than ICBMs I suppose, though) and Putin doesn't actually care about his people (much like Stalin) so would be willing to gamble his people's lives on the fact that no country is supposed to use nukes first even if attacked by conventional means. Promoting and guaranteeing are two different things. I think the biggest problem with this idea is the possibility of one, just one, irrational leader who starts a war far more destructive than multiple conventional wars. A competent UN-like body with teeth and without a security council would be the way to promote peace, so that any country could be threatened with economic isolation or a coalition against them in war if they wage war or have nukes.

 

No it did not- you see .. already the spoon fed propaganda comming out - distractions to keep your eye off the ball. .. and it was not a "civil war".. more propaganda you gobbled up.

There was only one side fighting Assad in the War in Syria. The Kurds were not fighitng Assad .. they were fighitng ISIS and Turkey .

Even prior to the formal declaration of the Islamic State .. many factions .. but still only one side .. as all were Islamist Jihadist fighting the same Holy Jihad..

So once again Mdrobster .. Which side were you on .. Syrian Army -- or Islamic State ?

 

Did you ever consider that the thousands of nuclear strategic Russian nukes and tactical nukes might be a concern.

 

Feel free to play your Russian propaganda with someone else.

 

Napoleon marched all the way to Moscow and do you know what America did? NOTHING.

What did America do during the Franco-Prussian war? NOTHING.

What has America gained from EVERY single intervention in my lifetime? NOTHING.

The worst case result of American intervention in the Ukraine is nuclear annihilation. The best case scenario is that their corrupt American proxy government (rated as even more corrupt than Russia) retains power. Hopefully they sign an agreement soon. From my perspective, America has done nothing to expedite that process. Weirdly China has had a far more measured, mature and nuanced response than America. America appears to be run by a pack of unhinged lunatics incapable of high level diplomacy. Rational leadership would involve asking Putin's demands and giving him something that would allow him to end the war while still saving face. Insane governance is to attempt to put him in a corner where he has no escape..... all this does is incentivize him to unleash hell. What do you think Hitler would have done if he had 5500 ICBMS and the Russians were pouring over his border? American leadership lacks the ability to put themselves in their enemies shoes and therefor have no business leading ANY nation, and certainly not the United States. The bipartisan idiocy of our government is nauseating.... and these are the dipshits gambling with ALL of our lives.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you, HockeyDad, and in the very beginning I didn't want us to get involved in this 'squabble' between Slavic 'cousins' in the former Soviet Union, either. BUT....

I know I'm not really supposed to do this, but please, just this once, let me post something here I wrote a few minutes ago in a different thread here in the Forum -- only because I honestly feel it speaks to the REALITY we all face right now with this execrable situation that is growing out of Ukraine:

"Gentlemen, if ALL the signatories to the Minsk Agreement(s) had seen to it that all of the stipulations, requirements, and responsibilities had actually BEEN CARRIED OUT AS AGREED TO, then, indeed, we could have avoided all this death, carnage, and destruction. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements . It wouldn't have eliminated trouble with a future, conceivable NATO membership for Ukraine, but a successful handling of "Minsk" would have removed Putin's big 'bitch-factor' about things to start a war over....

But now, Putin is "all-in"! He shows no interest whatsoever in anybody's suggested "exit ramps" from this catastrophe, and for the foreseeable future, French President Macron is thus far correct in having said back on March 3rd, "The worst is yet to come...."

BTW, Macron made that comment after having tried harder than anyone else in 'the West' to try to negotiate a settlement to this horrific, murderous devastation before it got this bad...."

So, whether we like it or not, we Americans -- and our NATO allies -- are getting "all-in" also. But given Putin's ambitions, and likely frame-of-mind today, we cannot shrink away like cowards and just let him get 'on a roll' like we let Hitler get away with not so long ago....

 

In 2008, Barack Obama pledged to make the abolition of nuclear weapons a “central element” of U.S. foreign policy.

 

Look at the mdrobster run from the playground .. name calling as he goes.. "Russia .. Russia Russian Propaganda" when asked a simple question.

Which side did you favor -- The Assad forces - or those fighting Assad for Syria. -- the Islamic State.

or if you can't speak for yourself .. unable to take a stand .. have no voice of your own .. Tell us which side Biden Favored - armed - supplied - supported.

Cmon MB .. Nothing to do with "Russian Propaganda" thats just you trying to hide from reality . whats wrong.. that "necessary illusion bubble" might pop ?




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Yep... and that same Barack Obama sat perfectly still and shut his mouth in 2014 while Russia seized the Crimea in Ukraine. For so many reasons, this radical, Leftist college teacher will go down in history as one of the five worse presidents we have ever had in the United States....

 

The one thing I can honestly say is Russia and China was extremely successful in was polarizing this nation. Pitting each other against one another. If the world economy doesn't take us down first, we are doomed to implode on our own.

I've never seen this nation as torn as it is today.

 

yea, if we were still in the TPP and Iran nuclear deal, the US would be in a far better place than we are now.

Especially the TPP, pulling out of that was a terrible mistake.

 

Sure. More jobs could have been outsourced. lol

 

Do you think pulling out of it saved any jobs from outsourcing?

 

How about this, because of what he has done, I hope Putin lives the rest of his life in misery.

 

Yes.
https://www.bu.edu/eci/2016/01/07/t...s-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement/

 

While I disagree on him behaving like a true leader, I do agree with his statement about Putin.