Biden says troops should be dishonorably discharged if they disobey order to get Covid vaccine

Getting vaccinated against a pandemic is a patriotic act in every country. This would never weaken the military. What happens in your brain?

 

No its not .. and this is not even a vaccine -

 

The vaccine that hardly works yet causes harm?

 

Its a lame wanna be booster.

 

member Small Pox - Polio .. when you took the vax .. ya didn't get it .. This stuff is more of a treatment . you still get it .. just not as bad for some people so less die .. but very few die anyway .. most of which are folks with comorbidities - pneumonia succeptibility - or very old..

and how come people are not dying in India - no big waves ? doesn't like brown folks this Covid ?

 

I think 'Millie' did the right thing.....but sure......he was breaking the line of command, and it ain't the first time an Officer has done that and turned out right. Humpty was clearly acting like a loony at the time, and as the 2IC of that mighty and nuclear US military machine, he was right IMO, in stepping up and putting a circuit breaker into effect.

 

1. The covid vaccine is the first phase 3 human trial mrna vaccine. To say that it is no longer experimental is an extreme understatement at best and misinformation. Also you would have to specify ages because the Pfizer vaccine is only fda approved for those 16 years and older.

2. The covid vaccine and flu vaccine arent comparable by almost any measure.

3. Look at how many people have heart damage from the vaccine. Also those going unreported as verified by project veritas.

4. Studies are relatively short term but what's coming out of the cdc says getting the vaccine does help your chances in not getting the virus. Although imho the cdc has lied and backtracked quite a lot since early 2020 for sure (with factual evidence but most wont change their mind so i wont bother posting proof.)

5. There is even less data on this with new variants coming almost daily.

 

Sometimes, I would agree with you, but we aren't just talking about military folks, the order would apply to all government employees. A rather larger, much more difficult discussion. I'd just say this. Personally, IF the vaccines were actually vaccines, and not the BS "anti viral" inhibitors that don't actually work like traditional vaccines do, IF these shots did in fact work to not only prevent one from becoming sick, but also prevented one from carrying and spreading the virus, AND it didn't kill folks or otherwise create what we are now beginning to see as long term adverse side effects and their own pathologies, then, and only then would I actually endorse this kind of unviersality.

On the political/legal theory front though, liberals have to reconcile their own theology here. If it really is, my body, my choice, then, one of the outcomes from that choice is that folks won't get the shots, and would be likely to become sick, and yes, some might even die. But the problematic part of that equation is that even those with the current shots can both become sick, and die. So, from the value perspective, there isn't actually a lot of difference, is there. So, why should government be allowed to force you into a position that could put you in the position of becoming both sick and dying?

 

1) the clot shot is not a vaccine.

2) the phantom virus has a survival rate greater than 99%

3) many thousands have died from the shots, and many more have been maimed. It would be foolish to mandate them for the troops.

4) for those troops who might become infected there are numerous effective therapies, negating any need for a vaccine.

 

You will have to go back and reread the context.

I don't do summaries.

 

I don't know what a clot shot is.

I don't know what the phantom virus is.

I am not up to date on the latest CT terms and slogans.

If you are talking about the covid vaccine you have been duped.

If you can post a link that supports that nonesense I would be glad to explain how you were fooled so you know what to look for when confronted with fake news in the future.

You are welcome.

Not nearly as effective as the covid vaccine.

 

Indlib

From that post and others it is very clear that there are many things you don't know besides the efficacy of Ivermectin.

Just guessing, it appears the only things you do 'know' is what you've been told by mainstream media, Fauci & Friends. By that you demonstrate what Bill Casey observed in 1981--when everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.

Have a good weekend.

 

Polite condescension does not an arguement make.

What did I post that is misinformation?

Did you want help looking for fake news red flags or not? Your claim of thousands dying and being maimed from the covid vaccine should provide a readily available learning experience for yah and I am glad to do it.

Thanks, you too. Heading to Seattle in about an hour to visit my son and his girlfriend. Long drive but should be a fun weekend.

 

Not with experimental vaccines and in fact there is legal precedence.

You are talking about fit and least susceptible people to begin with.

 

I am not talking about experimental vaccines...but at least you admit it is a vaccine.

Be prepared for eleuthera to call you out on that.

 

That’s the only vaccine available and it isn’t really a vaccine but an experimental biotech product.

 

Incorrect.

 

They are currently being discharge under UCMJ Section 22, if I remember correctly. A "Less than Honorable" discharge.

Curious, why should they forgo benefits?

 

Could be.

Every vaccination comes with inherent risks. Are those risks larger or smaller than being infected with Covid. I dunno. That's why I think people should be free to make their own decisions.

 

Why is that incorrect.

The CDC has to keep changing the definition of vaccine to fit the agenda. Those who get the vaccine can still get infected and still transmit. The vaccine really only reduces symptoms of those infected.

I'm not sure I call that a vaccine regardless of the CDC moving the goal posts.

 

Well, it is arguable that as they did not to the job they were asked to do, they should not get the benefits of those who did do the job they were asked to do.

 

'They'd take a bullet for their Country but not a jab for their neighbours.'

 

So what if we didn't have mRNA vaccines before? We didn't have automobiles before, used to use horses... until we did. We didn't have television before, used to only have radio, until we did... it's called scientific progress.

They are both vaccines against a respiratory virus. Sure, they have different platforms (I hope you don't think you can teach me that; take a good look at my thread State of the Vaccines pinned to the top of the Covid Discussions subforum, and get a good guess if I ignore platforms, link below) but they both make catching the disease less likely to variable degrees, and if you do catch it, they make it less severe to various degrees. I just used the flu shot as a demonstration that a vaccine doesn't need to be 100% efficacious against infection to be called a vaccine, like you wrongly stated.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-state-of-the-vaccines.576983/

About 16 cases per million second doses in people 30 and younger. That compares "a bit" favorably to 30% with the virus. Those going unreported: yes sure, they may add a tiny bit more, just like there are countless unreported cases for the virus itself. By the way, myocarditis from the vaccine tends to be mild and transient while from the virus it can get quite serious.

The fact that the CDC has lied (and yes, they have) doesn't mean that everything they say is false.

Last I checked there were 300,000 mutations; that was several months ago, so many more by now (which is something that non-virologists don't really get). Sure, there are variants, more than daily... but only a handful become what we call a variant of concern. Most peter out as they do not confer an evolutionary advantage to that strain.

 

LOL, I'm glad that I'm ignoring whoever you're talking to... because the person seems to be spouting utter nonsense, believing that the vaccine kills thousands and that alternative therapies (likely he is thinking ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine) are effective and make the vaccines unnecessary... LOL. Yes, someone has been duped by conspiracy theorists.

 

I'm a fan of scientific progression but I would not like to be forced into driving the first automobile to work or to watch the first television everyday. Your analogy is horrible and just proves my point further. Plus having the scientific community try to find faults in the vaccine is good for actual vaccine success and that's being limited greatly I. The name of "scientific progress" which is malarkey.

Where did I state it needed to be 100% anything? Go on I'll wait....
I've even said the vaccine in short term studies has shown that it can help in many ways and never advocated against vaccines.

I'll personally take my chances and I have seen no evidence suggesting that covid is a threat to healthy 18-40 year olds that dont have an underlying condition.

I agree that everything the cdc says isn't false but the fact that they have lied means when using there stats I now need more than them to have faith in the numbers.

Agreed with the variants. I'm totally well versed in virology in general and this has been an interesting research topic. I am surprised at how fast it moves.