Biden's Evolving Views on Abortion... <cough>

Individual bills and court cases have issues that are specific to the bill or court case.

You need to settle down and talk about issues rather than trying to trump up political BS.

 

This is just plain disgusting.

First of all, the title of a bill does NOT mean that the methodology specified within the bill is satisfactory.

For example, in the past Republicans have written late term abortion law that gave ZERO deference to the health of the pregnant woman.

Beyond that, if I vote for a person of the Catholic faith, I'm certainly NOT voting for America to start following the Pope.

 

Clearly Biden just does what he thinks is popular and will help him keep/advance his career. It could be argued that this is a positive trait for a legislator to have in a representative government.

The problem, of course, is that this means the moral fabric of a nation is founded upon the whims of the fickle and inconsistent 51%.

...which is really just the main problem with democracy itself.

Biden would prolly be a decent president if his advisors werent all progressive extremist wackjobs selected by globalist thinktanks to destroy everything and usher in a global authoritarian corporate-run collective. But they're the ones running the show.

 

Once again, nobody is proposing exactly why Biden voted the way he did.

And, the fear of the "corporate-run collective" guiding the abortion issue is a major stretch, too.

How about just discussing the actual issue?

 

Bravo!! Good point!

 

One evolves by learning and realising that in every country where abortion has been banned completely maternal mortality has risen

 

He learnt the truth about third trimester abortions

 

I will not vote for a politician that does not show the capacity to change his position on something . That represents no trait more than sheer obstinence. The alternative here is a political figure who has not changed his views on anything, for any reason in over 35 years in public life. Views need to evolve, they are supposed to evolve, and if they never do, its most likely they can't! Its when a position changes radically, inexplicabley and dramatically, and out of character from other positions, and there is a sizable campaign contribution attached, say 4 weeks ago, that we should wonder. All of the sudden what seemed inexplicable, now has an explanation.

In this case, Biden's social stances on abortion, civil rights, gay rights and contraception use, actually evolved right along side most of his catholic lay person brethren in those pews with whom he sat. Start taking a look at the polling data of American catholics as they drifted away from the Vatican's views on so many social issues since the mid 1970's.

"Legality[edit]
Between 16% and 22% of American Catholic voters share the view that abortion should never be permitted by law.[1][2][3][42] According to 2009 survey by Pew Research Center, 47% of American Catholics believe that abortion should be legal in "all or most cases", while 42% of American Catholics believe that abortion should be illegal in "all or most cases".[5] When posed a binary question of whether abortion was acceptable or unacceptable, rather than a question of whether it should be allowed or not allowed in all or most cases, according to polls conducted in 2006-2008 by Gallup, 40% of American Catholics said it was acceptable, approximately the same percentage as non-Catholics;[4] 58% of American Catholics said it was morally wrong.[6]

It is said that "Latino Catholics" in the United States are also more likely to oppose abortion than "White Catholics".[6]

Some reasons for dissenting from the church's position on the legality of abortion, other than finding abortion morally acceptable, include "I am personally opposed to abortion, but I think the Church is concentrating its energies too much on abortion rather than on social action"[43] or "I do not wish to impose my views on others."[44][45][46][47]

Prevalence of abortion[edit]
A 1994-1995 survey conducted by Guttmacher Institute of abortion patients found that "Catholic women have an abortion rate 29% higher than Protestant women."[48]

Its Henry Hyde's and Rick Santorums views that should have worried their constituants because their moral and political views had petrified into stone when so many of the faithful's views began to moderate.

 

Biden's views depend on nothing more than which way the political winds are blowing at any moment.

 

Its not a breeze. That wind has been blowing the same consistent direction for 35 years continuous years and that's how long everyone elses sitting in those pews who are not politicians had been changing. They did not do it for votes, they just changed/ diverged from the Popes because they saw the Pope's stance as wrong. Why shouldn't Bidens? This kind of thing is supposed to mean something important. If a politician can't budge for 35 years on his stances major issues , its time find one who can!

If you want to see a flip-flop problem, take a look at Blake Masters. It took him about 35 minutes to wipe his lifelong abortion stance off the face of his webpage. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...ks-abortion-scrubs-campaign-website-rcna44808 and that corresponds directly with a change from running a primary campaign to a general election campaign.

 

If you believe that, I've got a great big beautiful bridge to sell you.

 

In addition to the above, practicing faithful Catholics do not, nor have they ever, believed in murdering the unborn.

 

For your reading pleasure. He who laughs last, laughs loudest.
Catholic Bishop: You Can "Absolutely Not" be a Practicing Catholic and Support Abortion - LifeNews.com

 

Call Trump out too.
He never gave 2 shits about abortions and even wanted Marla Maples to have one.

Then all of a sudden, he was informed that to get the Evangelical voting bloke he needs to be anti-abortion and appoint 2-3 SCOTUS justices to overturn Roe vs Wade.

He also had to be informed what an Evangelical was.

 

From the infamous LIENews.com...an Anti-Choice site...not exactly the Vatican.

And even if true that doesn't mean that women who are practicing Catholics haven't had abortions They have ....and the Pope doesn't know about it ...LOL

 

Problem with voting these old guys into office - plenty of crap in their past.
Trump has supported abortion for years, and yet anti-abortionists love him.

Strange world.

 

The point remains. How does Biden and Pelosi, both practicing Roman Catholics, support abortion?

 

They should be ex-communicated. They promote a practice abhorrent to the Chatholic Church and to Christianity, promoting sin is in itself a sin.

They have been called out before. Fr. James Altman puts out a regular video, in 2021 did one entitles "You Cannot be Catholic and a Democrat"
Amazingly its still on youtube


Bishops backed him up.

 

forcing rape victims to have their rapists babies is wrong

only the woman can decide for herself, this is not a place for government to decide

 

exactly, if a Priest rapes a little girl, should she be forced to have his baby?

 

because they support a free country free from a religious theocracy, choose for yourself

 

The above does not answer the question.
In case you are curious, the answer to my question is that they are both Catholics in name only pretending to practice their faith.

 

you can't tell people how to believe, sorry, this is America.....

the bible talks about stoning people that pick up sticks on the weekend, can one not be a Jew if they do not support that?

and it says that in the bible, it says nothing about abortion

 

Even the Catholic Church supports abortion in certain circumstances