Biden's Evolving Views on Abortion... <cough>

Even the Catholic Church allows for abortion in some instances https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

What the Catholic Church does not insist on is that everyone holds its views. As a Catholic one may choose not to have an abortion themselves whilst still accepting that a Protestant friend has one. If we allowed every religion to dictate societal norms we would have a nightmare situation

 

The Catholic Church sets the rules for being a Catholic and the Catholic Church determines who can join and who they ex-communicate. They do not set the rules for the Protestant Church. And the US government doesn't set the rules for the Catholic Church.

You want to be a Catholic, you follow the Catholic Chatechism. What does the Catholic Chatecism say about abortion?

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law" (No. 2271). https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-ac...ignity/abortion/respect-for-unborn-human-life

In the Feb 22 1987 Donum Vitae (The Gift of Life) the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith affirmed that, “The human being is to be respected and treated as a person from the moment of conception; and therefore from that same moment his rights as a person must be recognized, among which in the first place is the inviolable right of every innocent human being to life,” (Sec I.1)
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/...h_doc_19870222_respect-for-human-life_en.html

The only exception is to save the life of the mother in early pregnancy. Abortion is not allowed for any other reason including rape.

If thats too much for you then don't join the Catholic Church. Nobody is forcing you to join, nobody is forcing you to stay. But if you want to stay a Catholic then you follow the rules.

Pelosi does not follow the rules, Pelosi actively advocates for actions diametrically opposed to the Cathloic Church, Pelosi has been been warmed by her Bishop and Priest and rejected hte warnings, she should be ex-communicated. If she had the guts she would just quit.

The democrat party platform is antithetical to the Catholic Church and Christianity. A person cannot be a member of both, just like a person cannot be a Christian and a moslem.

 

Yep! Between Catholics and their church. Does not mean that doctrine should apply to the rest of us though

 

I agree with one thing, if you hate pedophile CHILD RAPERS you should have the guts , strength and MORALS to quit the Catholic Church who hid, covered up, supported their CHILD RAPING priests....the filthy Catholic Church is hardly the entity to teach MORALS...OR CARE OF CHILDREN..

 

Who is applying the Catholic Chatechism to you? Who is forcing you to be a Catholic or to follow Catholic rules? Give us their names. Tell us who in Australia is forcing you to be a Catholic? The Australian govt is certainly tyrannical and dictatorial, but they are also anti-God, I seriously doubt they are forcing Catholic rules on you, are they?

The thing about freedom is that you have to respect other peoples choices. If someone wants to be a Catholic or Hindu or Protestant or atheist, thats their business not yours. But we have all seen that democrats and progressives can't leave people alone, they have to meddle and tell everyone else how to live.

 

Yet Pelosi refuses to quit the Cathloic Church, and the democrats had an absolute fit when Fr. Altman said you cannot be a Chhristian and a democrat. Seems like some people like pedophilia.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I agree with one thing, if you hate pedophile CHILD RAPERS you should have the guts , strength and MORALS to quit the Catholic Church who hid, covered up, supported their CHILD RAPING priests....the filthy Catholic Church is hardly the entity to teach MORALS...OR CARE OF CHILDREN..

Yes, it is disappointing to me when people stay with the Catholic Church....since it's hardly a model for morals....seems like the Catholic Church and it's leaders like pedophilia....harming children while they rule against abortion....maybe they just want more VICTIMS....they sure seem to like pedophilia....

 

Roman Catholics, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are required to follow the Catechism as practicing Catholics.
They don't, hence they are posers.

Abortion - Catechism of the Catholic Church (catholicnewsagency.com)

 

yep, but Trump is a Christian - ROTFLMAO

 

Whatabout deflection.

 

so you agree?

 

I agree that you chose to deflect to a Trump whataboutism so you don't have to acknowledge my point about fraudster R. Catholics, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi.

Once again, in the eyes of the Church, and to be considered a faithful, practicing Catholic, one must never support abortion.

Now I am done entertaining any more of your deflections.
Have a nice day.

 

seems you're the one deflecting

you Have a nice day too

 

Read the title of this thread again. Now, who is the poster who chose to deflect by invoking Trump's religion into the thread discussion?

 

yes, comparing Biden and Trump's Christianity is a valid comparison, read your op, it compared everyone in public life and said Biden was the worst, if you don't like it, don't respond to it, simple, your choice - we are all here just giving our opinions, and I think Trump was a worse Christian then Biden

anyone who starts a thread saying Biden is not Christian enough, will get a Comparison to Trump asking them if Trump is Christian enough

 

My post to which you responded to did not make a comparison. My point was to the topic of the thread. You chose the red herring deflection instead of refuting what I actually wrote. That's on you.

Do better in the future while debating.

 

mine made a comparison as did your original post

"There is no one in public life who has undergone such a dramatic transformation. "

Be open to others opinions.... don't try to silence them... too much cancel culture nowadays

Sorry the bash Biden's Christianity thread did not go the way you planned

debating means allowing both sides to give their opinions, not just a one-sided restricted conversation

 

My point stands above. You never refuted what I actually wrote about Biden. You muddied the waters by the use of a red herring deflection.

 

you diverted us to talking about this, you could have just ignored my post or commented on it

yep, keep betting that dead horse....

 

Did they have abortions? Should they set national policy according to rules of their faith? Ban birth control perhaps? Or are we cherry picking?
BTW 98% of sexually active Catholic women have used a form of birth control (which prevents abortions).
His evolving opinion on the subject shows he can evolve, like public opinion on interracial marriage and gay marriage. Some people can grow after receiving more information with an open mind, others not so much.

 

I am specifically commenting on Biden and Pelosi's very lukewarm faith according to the R. Catholic faith, re: abortion.
Evolving opinion does not exist when it comes to abortion, and both should know better as to not push it as such publicly.
Abortion and even publicly advocating for it, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, is a mortal sin.

 

As I said cherry picking and I can see you won't evolve. Advocating for the right to choose and do what you feel is right for you is not advocating for abortion. What is a "mortal sin" in one religion is not a sin for everyone. Should Biden advocate the mortal sin of gay sex be outlawed and the sodomy laws be brought back?

 

Read what I wrote. Refute it.

 

Did and done.

 

You didn't.

I was specifically addressing the Catholic Church's stance on life. Abortion is a mortal sin, and Biden's choice to push abortion publicly is not permitted according to the RC faith.
I was specifically addressing Biden's failure to obey his church's laws. Abortion is murder. The church will not "evolve" nor should Biden if he wants to be considered a practicing Catholic who is on solid ground with the teachings of his faith.