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Bikie Laws - What price for Justice?

Discussion in 'Australia, NZ, Pacific' started by Bowerbird, Oct 22, 2013.

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    I am @#$#@ uncomfortable about this whole debacle and fear that it will only lead to injustice after injustice.


    We have seen the start

    Okay he should not have been yelling outside the Pub but this is hardly a jail offence - and wearing a BELT BUCKLE should not lead to incarceration

    It concerns me that we are using some of the more whacky American Tea pot ideas as models such as the idea of putting prisoners in pink

     
    Bowerbird, Oct 22, 2013
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    mister magoo New Member

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    OMG's should have been wiped out years ago....the only reason they weren't was that the Governments were gutless...
    Now they're showing some backbone....I just hope that the Triads or Russian mafia don't move in to take their place...
    Then we're really in the sh1t..............
     
    mister magoo, Oct 22, 2013
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  3. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    And what about all the recreational Bikie clubs that are NOT doing anything illegal?
     
    Bowerbird, Oct 22, 2013
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    mister magoo New Member

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    The laws are structured to get rid of criminals...recreational bikie clubs wont have a problem...
     
    mister magoo, Oct 22, 2013
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  5. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    You have too much faith in the system

    The laws have NOT been "structured to get rid of criminals" but to criminalise ONE group

    http://theconversation.com/factchec...aign=Feed:+conversationedu+(The+Conversation)
     
    Bowerbird, Oct 22, 2013
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  7. Bowerbird

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    This is how it starts

    Demonise a group

    Tell everyone how "bad" they are

    Then you have an open cheque book to do as you like including incarceration without recourse
     
    Bowerbird, Oct 22, 2013
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    mister magoo New Member

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    And that's how limp-dicked do-gooders start.....oh the poor innocent bikies....get a grip BB....a number of bikies
    live near me....get rid of them I say....and soft c@ck do gooders can whistle Dixie.....
     
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  10. Bowerbird

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    But we cannot paint ALL people who ride bikes as "criminals"

    Just as not everyone who posts photos of near naked women on the internet are dirty old perverts

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    How is the judiciary incompetent in this case?
     
    Bowerbird, Oct 22, 2013
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    When an innocent bike rider is arrested I'll concede defeat....

    How is the Judiciary incompetent.....cant you read.........read the article and look at the photo of the defendant....
    He had the keys to the clubhouse in his possession.....I thought you had some brains BB...but you disappoint me here....
     
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    And having clubhouse keys is automatically a crime?

    Where does this end?

    Let us say the RSL is found to have a significant number of their members involved in illegal activity - would the same rules apply?
     
    Bowerbird, Oct 22, 2013
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    Finally we agree on two things on one day...

    I wondered when the anti-terrorism laws were introduced. Now we see the criminalisation of a group of people (regardless of how bad you think they are). Newman is trying to implement legislation to incarceration people who they do not agree should be let out of prison indefinitely... What next??? Arresting people if they travel too far from home? hold them without due process indefinitely???

    Australia’s rights are slowly getting eroded (well not as slow as before) and it will not be too long when they are gone completely... Nobody should kid themselves this will eventually affect them as well…
     
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    Youre putting me to sleep with your do-gooder attitude....

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    You and BB are as soft as one another.....
     
    mister magoo, Oct 23, 2013
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    Whatever floats your boat.
     
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    Ahhh! The Ad Hom - always the refuge of hopelessly out debated
     
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    Who appointed you judge and jury....your argument is weak to say the least....walk down the street and ask people
    what they think of the bikies....tell me what they tell you.
    There was a bikie arrested last week who lived a few doors from my place...he was abusing his missus..and a neighbour reported the disturbance...turned out he was the head of the Black Eulans
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/black-uhlans-bikie-hands-in-colours-20131017-2vo4o.html

    These people are criminals...you have yet to show me any evidence of any innocent biker being arrested....
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    mister magoo, Oct 23, 2013
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    Hmmmm - and should I do the same about the indigenous people? Muslims? War Veterans?
    And there was someone who belonged to an RSL club arrested last week - should we ban the RSL too?

    Should we lock up all Aboriginals?

    Should we lock up all Muslims?

    Should we lock up all Asians?

    Should we lock up all Jews?
     
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    Now you're being ridiculous
     
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    Am I?

    It was not that long ago that one could in locked up for being black in Australia
     
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    That is going off on a tangent if I ever saw it....it wasn't that long ago that Jehovahs Witnesses were being persecuted....
    Whats your point.....it wasn't that long ago that we had the cane in schools....
    I ask again...whats your point.....
    The OMG laws which were introduced in Victoria, and now in Qld to smash crime rings...
    Are you in favour of crime rings flourishing freely...or should we do something about it...
    We do something about it and you whinge....oh that's too tough....human rights are being impaired...
    You and your human rights campaign are not worth arguing with...because as soon as another issue
    becomes prevalent, you will jump onto that....I suppose you are in favour of soft sentencing.
    Do you favour mandatory sentencing..of course you don't....it just goes on and on....any human rights
    issue attracts your attention and you become a campaigner.....yawn bloody yawn.....
     
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    I’m not suggesting all bikies are the “Mary Poppins” of society, but I am very concerned about the human rights abuses and issues that could follow, when a person can be arrested for just wearing a belt-buckle representing a group.
     
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    Anyone wearing a OMG belt buckle could be associated with that group. Even "prospects" cant wear anything associated with the OMG until they pass their initiation tests....if someone chooses to wear an OMG belt buckle without being a member is obviously attracting attention to himself...why would you wear an OMG belt buckle
    if you were not a member of that OMG...
     
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    I do object to your "look at the photo of the defendant" line. I am often mistaken for a biker purely on looks.
     
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    He might have been a member of a particular OMG, but should just wearing a belt-buckle that suggests you are a member of a particular OMG institute being arrested?

    If he is breaking the law, then fine, arrest him, but he should not have been arrested “just” for wearing a belt-buckle suggesting he belongs to an OMG.
     
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