Birth Control: Sharing the responsibility

Also they are coming up with more than a pill. There is an in line switch to block sperm from the testicles as well as a substance to fill the tube as a block of sperm from the testicles.

 

Of course there will be exceptions, but the general rule is that contraceptives work.

 

You asked for the philosophical reasoning behind his responsibility. I gave it. Both he and her made it. It is either both their responsibilities or neither. There is no argument about her body since the responsibility part comes after it leave her body.

 

If they worked 100% of the time then there would be no need for abortions. So what happens when they fail? Ah the possible need for an abortion.

 

Yes

I haven't commented on her responsibility, only his.
But it has never been part of his body, and according to you, it is her body and hers alone.

 

Your comment on it is irrelevant. You asked for the philosophical reason for it to be his responsibility. That reasoning includes both him and her. Furthermore, the offspring was indeed part of his body, as it was part of hers. This is basic biology 101. The location of gestation, be it the genetic mother's womb, a surrogate's womb, or even an artificial womb, hold no bearing on the responsibility held by whom. The responsibility of the offspring does not commence until the birth of said offspring, thus no longer in any womb.

 

you should probably study bio.
not one part of that baby ever was his body.

 

The sperm is of his body. If you cannot comprehend that basic bit of biology then you need to be in school, not here.

 

sperm is haploid. The baby is diploid.
Not one cell in its body has the genetic make up of the father.
Is this hard Mr Bio Scholar ?

 

Regardless of haploid or diploid, it requires material from the father to create the offspring. Without that, no offspring. No it's not that hard at all, Mr. Bio Student. He is one of two who created it, thus he is one of two who are responsible for it. You have still not connected this responsibility thing to the "her body" argument. The responsibility manifests after birth, thus not in her body, thus the "her body" doesn't apply.

 

It starts out not his body, he has no domain over it, then suddenly it pops out and now he has responsibility?
You better come up with a better logic flow than that. And, you better know what the **** you're talking about next time you try to pull the old "you dont know science" bullshit

 

What are you even talking about? Basic biology: males generate sperm from their own bodies. Females generate (during their own gestation no less) eggs from their own bodies. These two things combine to make a new body. Both parents are responsible for the creation of the new body. Without either, the new body does not come about.

I have this feeling that you are attributing to me things I have never claimed. Either that or conflating things that are not the same. You might need to expand on what it is you think I am claiming. Provide quotes if you can.

 

Amazing. Never knew that

Amazing. Never knew that

He has no domain over her body post coception.
No domain, no responsibility

 

I have certainly never claimed such

To her, no. The the offspring yes, post birth. I have already shown this. You have yet to show otherwise, other than a claim. A lack of responsibility for the offspring of his own creation would then logically equate to a lack of responsibility to any results of his actions.

 

You've said it, yes.

He has no domain or responsibility to the fetus, and therefore none going forward.
It doesnt magically return to him.

 

I have shown he has a responsibility to the offspring, legally and philosophically. The fact that you cannot counter my argument with anything more than "nuh uh" doesn't change a thing. The ball is now in your court to prove me wrong. The fact that any responsibility he has does not over ride her bodily autonomy, does not in any way absolve him of said responsibility. Prove otherwise.

 

One does not prove anything with the law, so that's ridiculous. Secondly, saying "Its his sperm" proves nothing.

If the man has no domain over or responsibility for the fetus, as you agree, he doesn't suddenly develop it just because the fetus plops out of the vagina.

 

You are still doing nothing more than saying "nuh uh". A lack of responsibility for the offspring of his own creation would then logically equate to a lack of responsibility to any results of any of his actions.

 

You insist he has no domain over the fetus. Any notion of his responsibility is terminated at that point.

 

On what basis? Support your assertion.

 

He either has it from the beginning or he doesn't have it.

 

That's just rewording, circular reasoning. I've given you the basis of really both their responsibilities. A lack of responsibility for the offspring of his own creation would then logically equate to a lack of responsibility to any results of any of his actions. Support your position, don't reword it.

 

moot point in the first sentence....which is incorrect as abortion deals with BEFORE you have an "offspring".
Philosophy is nice until the rubber hits the road...which is why some women OPT to "deal with it" via an abortion. That is their PERSONAL right under the law. That the OP takes an albeit unconventional stab at rectification of the unequal burden some in society puts on women seems to disturb a lot of folk.

 

You're last sentence is awash in either willful ignorance or denial. Bottom line: some birth control methods fail, spouses die or get divorced, one or both parties don't like to use birth control (or spur of the moment stuff happens), etc.,etc. And it's not "feminist BS", as my previous post pointed out....poll some doctors and you should see the flaw in your thinking and/or belief system on this.

 

You want to unite against gov't abuse of power, then rally people against the Citizen's United decision (for starters), or corporate "eminent domain" rulings. But since you state you are against denial of choice, then we are on the same page. The OP proposal is put forth IF there is a state/federal machination that denies women access to full medical options regarding child birth.