Blue Lives Matter, Black Lies Shatter. Cops 1850% More Killed by Blacks Than Kill Blacks.

What "value" do the constant conservatives threads about murder rates of Black Americans have other than to demonize them.

We know that Husbands and boyfriends kill more often than strangers - but do conservatives make threads about that? No. It's
always the same theme. Why? Because it's their intent to demonize Black Americans

We know that people in dire economic straits are more likely to commit violent crimes. Do we have a hundred threads about that? No. It's
one after the other about Black Americans committing violent crime. It doesn't matter that in the end it's a small percentage of the
total population of Black Americans - it's all about conservatives wanting to paint a negative picture of Black Americans.

Just look back through this forum at the sheer number of negative threads that conservatives here have started in regards to
Black American citizens. It not rocket science to see a pattern - and it speaks volumes.

 

I think you got it all wrong. Its not a conservative thing. Its a shocking culture statistic.

Am I afraid my black buddies will kill me or each other according to statistics?
Not at all. But they will be the very first to tell you things about their culture that are just scary.

I live in NC and the buddies I have who are black love it here but they wouldn't be caught anywhere near an inner city black neighborhood in a large population area.
Why? Because the numbers don't lie.
Numbers like, 70% of all black children are born to single parents. Why is that a problem?
Because without a father in their lives they look to the streets for that replacement of support and leadership.
Which usually leads to gang related relationships. Not good

Which also leads to much higher crime rate, killings, drive bys, drugs and so on. Its always a downhill turn.
My next door neighbor is black. We play guitar together. You want to hear some stories? Sit with him for an hour about his life
in Detroit growing up. As a 14 year old, to be accepted in the pack, he had to rob a store with a gun or face the elements of the gang.

He KNOWS the streets, the statistics, the crime rate, the black on black killings, the gangs, and whats expected of you to survive.

This isn't about racism. Its about culture and the glaring statistics in Black communities across this country. Ignoring them because you think
its racist is like ignoring car accidents because not everyone can drive the same car and there is no safety across the board on all vehicles.

Right now, more Black children are aborted than born. Black men are basically marrying off their partners to the government. More kids, more money.
Which takes them where? Nowhere. Just existing.

56% of all violent crimes are committed by 12% of the population? Thats outrageous but its a product of culture. Now you might think I am giving you
my opinion. I'm not. I'm telling you what my buddies tell me. If you don't think its true you can always take a walk through most inner city Black neighborhoods and ask around for yourself. They aren't denying these numbers because they live it.

You think I'm racist for posting this information? You wanna see racism at its peak? If you're white, just take that stroll after dark through one of those inner city neighborhoods. You won't get two blocks without drawing attention and most likely not leave without a confrontation.

It just is what it is. This has no bearing on good Black people or bad White people. Its just the real numbers. Thank God I live in a place that doesn't have any racial violence. Do I have prejudice or bias? Of course. Is there any race that doesn't? Nope

 

And not true.

 

The whole problem with your argument is your notion of statistics like the one in the OP. Like the one about violent crime offenses. I don't like to get involved in these (as Daniel Light says) seemingly endless and negatively-orientated threads because I don't think they deserve the oxygen, but do so with the intention of pointing out how statistics like these are misrepresentations of the actual data. The mathematical calculations are correct, but they use cherry-picked numbers and remove any and all context that might tend to tone down the drama and click-bait potential, display it in a big bold graph and voila. Next thing you know it's all over the place, including this place.

Take the OP police data, for example. Mathematically it's true to say that a police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a black is to be killed by a police officer. What's missing is informative context - notably population size. As a much smaller population than the black population, the risk to police is of course more concentrated (spread over fewer people), and thus much higher. Plus, the data is cherry picked in terms of how it's used. The exact same data also shows that:

• Police officers are 158 times more likely to be killed by a white man than a white man is to be killed by police.
  
• White men are 1.5 times more likely to shoot a police officer than black men.
  
• Police officers are 52 times more likely to kill a black person than a black person is to kill a police officer.
• Black men are 5.8 times more likely to be killed by the police than a white men.

Instead of any of that, the OP article author chose to make one mathematically-correct assertion, stripped of context, that was the least favorable to black people.

Next, we have the "interracial violent crime" nonsense. More of the same methodology - cherry-picked numbers, mathematically correct assertion, no context = false impression.

Underpinning the drama of the rates presented is a straightforward DOJ stat that 10.6% of violent crimes against black people are committed by whites, and 15.3% of violent crimes against whites are committed by blacks.

Swallowing this stuff wholesale is not compatible with the genuine interest and concern you claim to have for the black community. It doesn't take much at all to get the whole story - all the numbers, all the context - and therefore an accurate and meaningful idea of what's what. Failure to do so simply makes it plain what the real interest is.

 

I'd be ashamed of that if I were you- you're smarter than that.
These numbers aren't police statistics, they are general crime statistics covering the entire population.
The 85% referred to the general non-black population; that includes a variety of mixtures.

All a society has to do to prosper and thrive is work together and respect common values. That absolutely must include condemning crime and violence, and resisting crime and violence.
The measurement of success has to be the results- the numbers that society and it's components generate.

The crime numbers generated by the black community outpace all others by a wide margin. That's fact, and unless you can't stand acknowledging truth, you know it's true.
The black community knows it's true- but a large part of it wants that to be somebody else's fault, and expects somebody else to fix it- or just accept it as normal and OK.

This is an issue that only the black community can solve. The rest of society can only try to contain it. While all groups in society have their criminals and that same premise applies- the stand-out problem is black crime, the most frequent victims of violence are black people- and it's doing ongoing devastating damage to the black community.

Pretending it isn't so; rationalizing, justifying, denying it- only prolongs that damage. You don't change truth or reality by lying to yourself, you only deceive yourself.

 

I've yet to see a statistic or proof of any kind on anything that the left isn't willing to turn upside down to deny what it says.
I will assume you are above the 7th grade reading skills, and perhaps better than our average math, which is below 30th in the world comparisons, but even that level should be sufficient to understand the figures.

The chart says what it says- and it's not arbitrary. You just draw whatever conclusions make you happy.
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There is a group out there proffering flat lies about the "danger" police officers (of all races and either biological sex) pose to black Americans. They have gained national attention and have become highly influential by proffering these lies in bad faith, which are dutifully repeated by media outlets, politicians, cultural icons, athletes, et al.

The primary claim of this group is that policing in general is part and parcel of "systemic racism," and that blacks are killed by police because policing is racist. This ignores the tens of thousands of peaceful interactions between cops and black Americans that end in not so much as a heated word. It also ignores the conduct of the black person who tragically does end up on the receiving end of justified, lawful lethal force, most often refusing to comply with lawful orders which are given for the safety of the officer(s) and the subject alike. This also ignores the THOUSANDS of blacks who are killed by other blacks.

FACT: The single greatest threat to "black lives" are not police officers, but other blacks. This is supported by the data, the statistics, the FACTS. Claiming otherwise is a flat lie - disingenuous bad faith. And it is a dangerous lie that gets people killed. ​

This group brilliantly dominates the conversation by implying through its very name that if you disagree with its false claims, you are in fact a racist who enjoys seeing black people killed. But the facts are all one needs to "cut through the crap" and conclude in good faith that police officers are not the greatest threat to black life, but that indeed it is other blacks. This is a very painful truth, understandably. But tilting at windmills as this group (and its dutiful acolytes) does is disingenuous gaslighting of the public and does NOTHING to improve the lot of the (mostly young) black (mostly male) Americans in (mostly urban) America who are practically an endangered species.

Thay said, people have every right to lie. And they have every right to believe lies. But to the extent these lies influence policy, and endanger the lives of police officers and black Americans alike, people of good will also have a right to factually refute these lies in good faith.

Straw man. When there is a group called Girlfriend Lives Matter intentionally spreading false information your facile analogy would have merit.

Fallacy. Red herring. You have no evidence to support this claim.

Multiple fallacies. See above.

Your comment is not relevant to this thread, however, is it?

 

Another "black people iz bad" thread.

 

Well that’s what happens when you make up about 6% of the population (black males) while you commit around 40% of the total violent crime.

 

Another preposterous fallacy. You didn't read the OP.

 

To be clear, this thread specifically addresses the lies proffered by the group calling itself "Black Lives Matter," but that would more correctly be called Black Lies Matter.

 

Well of course they’re lying. In 2019 23 unarmed blacks were killed by police. This is out of around 60,000,000 interactions between the police and public every year.

That means in 99.99997% of all police interactions no unarmed black is killed. How much closer to 100% can the police realistically get in that regards? I mean that’s pretty damn perfect if you ask me.

 

the vast majority of black people have never killed or assaulted a police officer.

maybe we should start trusting them a little more, and not assume they are all criminals.

 

This is factually correct. However, nobody in this thread has argued to the contrary, so your comment is neither rationally-related to the topic, nor is it a factual rebuttal to another poster's false claim. So I fail to see the utility of your comment.

But I'll play. There is also a corollary to your assertion: the vast majority of police officers have never killed or assaulted a black person... or any person for that matter.

Straw man: Nobody in this thread has proffered an argument even remotely approaching your false assertion.

 

Furthermore, though there are certainly unjustified uses of lethal force by police officers, the vast majority are not and are the result of the conduct of the subject -- a fact that Black Lies Matter and their acolytes conveniently ignore.

 

but what is the ratio of those individuals being acquitted, or the legal system outright choosing not to carry charges?

If the subject matter is about people being treated differently by the legal system, then this simply cannot be ignored

 

That feels off-topic. Can you develop this position a little further? Thank you.

 

I believe at least one participant in this thread believes that due to the higher crime rate among blacks, its wise and logical to view ALL black people with suspicion. Especially when walking down the street or when its dark.

 

Well that would be a factually incorrect assertion.

To wit:

"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then I look around and see someone white and feel relieved."​

Do you know who said this? If you don't plug that into Google. You may be surprised. Hint: It wasn't Trump and it wasn't even Robert Byrd, or Tom Metzger.

 

I don't know anyone who assumes that; I don't. But I do know the odds of conflict when encountering a black person are dramatically higher than with people of other races.
The core parameter here is WHO has control of that. Neither you or I can control other people's emotions or standards.

The first person accountable for that is you- no matter what your background is. When you start blaming your discontent on others, you abandon all chance of being in charge of your own life and destiny- and nobody else can give you that or do that for you. You have to earn that from yourself. Prove to yourself you can handle life, regardless of the challenges- and you are in control; what others think is no longer relevant to your self respect.

In getting along together- Polite is given, once. How you respond to that open door will control what follows. Respect is different; it is earned.

If a cop stops me- I'm going to be polite and cooperative, and I will refer to him as officer or sir. He invariably responds by being polite as well- and is far more likely to put away his ticket book.....
A lot of black people open interactions with a chip on the shoulder, a hostility in manner, already convinced they will be abused because of race. They go looking for it, they promote it- and so they find it.
It starts with what's going on in your head.

 

Jesse Jackson, of course.

 

Yes black self-hate is a real phenomenon

 

Yes, the chart says what it says and it is mathematically correct, and you're correct to say it's "not arbitrary" - but that's exactly my point, which is clearly going right over your head. It is based on one cherry-picked piece of data, stripped of informative context, designed to serve a narrative.

I had hoped that the examples I gave of several other conclusions that can be drawn from the same data - but just so happen not to serve the originator's narrative - would have made this point perfectly clear.

In short, anyone who professes an interest in statistics and what they can teach us, should consider them in their entirety, context and relative values included, in order to gain a truly valid and meaningful understanding of what the body of data tells us, not cherry pick to make it tell us what we want it to tell us, or blindly accept it filtered through someone who has done just that, and is well-known for doing so.

 

Ive lived and worked in NYC almost my entire life. Come across lots of black people.

Only mugged once, as a teenager, in 1991. Never had an issue since then.

Walked by and interacted with lots of black people since 1991. I guess Im just special?

 

So- the reason one person chooses to kill another makes the statistics less relevant? The statistics aren't for accidents, they are for murders. They are a summary- and they don't arbitrarily consider why the murderer chose to kill someone. Tell me how you plan to mitigate that. They had a bad day? What do you use to make the victim less dead, or their life less of a loss? Or the offense less offensive to the point we should ignore it?

You're talking about factors that come AFTER the facts of the crime. Judges look at those, may adjust sentences because of them. ALL those things are on the table solely because the crime was committed.
They DO NOT alter the fact it was.

Yes, you can conclude other things from the basic facts- but they don't alter the facts. It's easy to say for example- "Those people must be angry". Good enough for you?