Boeing 737 Max, software problems and Indian engineers.

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  1. kreo

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    There is nothing wrong with Indians as software developers, but when whole project is outsourced to other country it is a problem. If corruption and nepotism is a part of the culture in that country it is naive to think it would not spread into the work environment.
     
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    Boeing is just a tip of the iceberg, the problem in this country is a legal corruption and unrestricted lobbying.
     
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    No one is insulated from a grand jury investigation, but grand juries are seldom tasked with investigating corporate crimes. The "regulators" handle that - right? ;-)
     
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    The failure of any mechanical system does not necessarily mean the aircraft is unstable.

    In any axis, uncommanded full travel of any flight control surface will cause problems, including loss of control. But that does not mean the aircraft is necessarily unstable in any given axis.
     
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    American companies will kill the goose that lays the golden egg by ignring American wokers and hiring cheap foreigners

    But on the other hand Airbus is getting help from the euros and Boeing has the keep their price low to compete
     
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    I assume that you know that Boeing are paying out compensation?
     
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    By who?
     
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    The Deep State and its corporate cronies are corrupt. How could they not be?
    The current criminal justice system is obviously incapable of dealing with this kid of corruption.
    The regulatory system seems designed to encourage official and corporate corruption.
     
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    True, one must bribe government officials everywhere for everything, sometimes just to sell lemonade in hometown America. But it is precisely government interference in the market place, an interference demanded by the majority against the rights of the individual, that makes such evil possible, not Boeing's desire to build and sell commercial jets for a profit. The OP is nothing but an anti-immigration, anti-capitalism rant by the same type of mind that makes the corruption necessary

    "If parasitism, favoritism, corruption, and greed for the unearned did not exist, a mixed economy would bring them into existence."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/mixed_economy.html

    BTW: $9/hr may not mean anything to an American, but it is damn good pay in India.
     
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    Hmmm. I'm missing your point here. If a plane keeps pulling to the right, no matter what the pilot does, until you enter a spiral death plunge, I'd say that's unstable. In the recent crashes, the jet is stable until the MCAS malfunctions. They sound very similar.

    My point is there is much to learn yet, and whatever is learned, it will have nothing to do with outsourcing or frugality, and everything to do with either the "the unforeseen", like the fuel tanks exploding on TWA 800, or plain cowardly incompetence. I want to hear what the Cheif Engineer that signed off on MCAS has to say.
     
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    It may look a bad pay for us, but it's alot for them.
    I am guessing it's standard pay for Indian engineers, I also work with an Indian for 20bucks for hour, but he is very skilled with more than 15 years of professional xp and speaks decent English(like me:))

    As a wierd and maybe bad comparison how much 9bucks/hour in India is:
    Consider GDP per capita, USA has 35 times that of India, equivalent of 9 bucks/h in India is ~300 bucks/h in the US.
     
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    I do.
     
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    Boeing made what seems like a series of bad decisions beginning with not disclosing details of the MCAS system and that it would react to the input from a single censor.
     
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    Was talking to the IT wife of a Boeing executive last night and she said the availability of data inside the company has been restricted and management had said flat out that no one is to investigate anything that could impact THE INVESTIGATION into the 737 Max crashes.

    Cover up? You bet.
     
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    Doan know if you can generalize to this extent, but I think the suggestion that outsourcing the Max MCAS software was responsible for the crashes is a questionable conclusion.
     
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    What makes you think Boeing is more corrupt than other corporations?
     
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    There are many corrupt corporations. Money and power corrupts.
     
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    Airbus has its own problems. The 380 was a financial disaster.
     
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    Damn...those are some shady dealings there. This sounds more like a Mafia story than a U.S. corporation.
     
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    What does deep state corruption have to do with Boeing ?
     
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    Do you not think that is basically an admission of guilt?
     
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    You mean the same engines that are used in the Airbus A320?
     
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    Guilty of what? Intentionally installing a faulty system? Is that what you believe Boeing did when they installed the MCAS?
     
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    So if MCAS never failed assuming that is what caused both crashes, would we even be talking about an inherently unstable aircraft? The B2 stealth flying wing bomber uses a similar system to keep it flying as it was designed to. Do we ever hear about the B2's inherent design flaws? No.
     
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