Boeing 737 with 132 people on board, crashes in province of Guangxi (China)

That sounds really, really sick.

 

Yes.

No, that is not obvious to me.

Did you see the recent thread about the woman that can't find answers to her symptoms which she attributes to the COVID vaccine?

 

The way the crash happened with a near vertical high speed descent makes me think this was do to human interference, not dur to mechanical or electrical failure.

 

I have read the link and it does not look like China is any worse than the United States when it comes to air transportation. Take a look at my links below on comparing air incidents First link is total airline fatal crases in 2021. Second is a list of all airline with deaths 50 or more. And the final link is from WSJ and shows how China has turned their air safety to a reasonable, worldwide standard.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263443/worldwide-air-traffic-fatalities/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...nts_resulting_in_at_least_50_fatalities#Table

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB119198005864354292

 

So you'd prefer that a system flaw killed them? Something which could conceivably kill many more?

Seriously?

 

Okay .. try this. You have 130+ people DEAD. They're already dead, as you know. What would you PREFER was the cause of those deaths? A problem which could repeat itself in hundreds of other aircraft? Or a one-off crazy?

 

Okay...try this.

You have 130+ people DEAD. They're already dead, as you know.

What would you prefer...a plane with mechanical and/or electrical problems that can be traced and resolved and the plane (and or model) taken out of commission with legal penalties, up to and including, termination and/or convictions.

OR

One or possibly two psychopath pilots planning to take a plane full of people down 30,000 feet to burst into flames near the side of the mountain and NOBODY that had contact with them during the course of their interviews, training and working with others...saw any warning signals?​

Yeah, I like the "findable problem".

 

I have a feeling that even if China failed some safety inspection, it will never come out and they will blame someone else outside of China.

 

The McDonnell Douglas DC- 10, and it's line, has always been the superior design (and the safer, smarter pick, if you have the choice) to Boeing's 700- series of planes.

 

I googled that, it would seem it no longer does passenger service.

I also made a mistake. The controversial plane is the 737 Max, that wasn't what crashed in China.

 

Wow! Thanks for that-- obviously, I haven't flown in some time (actually, not since 1998). That is a shame, that airlines opted to put all their eggs, in the Boeing basket.


So, should we consider these crashes, as owing to the effectively monopolistic Boeing's desire to sell more planes, through "planned obsolescence?" I am joking, of course, albeit in a very dark way.

 

Let's put it this way. You are going on a flight tomorrow to China. When you arrive at the airport you are given a choice of flying on a 737 or 747. Will your choice be influenced by the recent crash?

 

Did you read post #82?

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...f-guangxi-china.598146/page-4#post-1073335767

 

That's answering the question while sitting in your living room. But you are in the airport and due to fly on a 737 to china but then given the choice of flying on an Airbus. Would the crash influence your choice?. It would for me

 

Probably not. I have pilots, aircraft mechanics and airport planners in my family and my ex's family so I usually hear about these things before they make the news and I know the people that design them and repair them so I have a different perspective than someone just seeing this horrible footage and news story.

As an aside, I typically don't play armchair quarterback. I only comment on situations in which I have personal and/or professional experience or a very close personal and/or professional relationship with someone that does. I actually find Monday morning quarterbacking quite annoying so you don't have to worry about getting that from my side of the table. ;-0

 

Would you accuse an entire country if a privately owned plane from a western nation crashed as if they don't do safety protocols?
It seems to me you are accusing out of nowhere this Chinese owned company doesn't do safety protocols out of nowhere, but present it as fact.
And that hints you are stating this fake fact out of fanatic hatred towards the Chinese.

Let me remind you that Boeing build a 737 plane, with such a faulty software, that in some situation the software would cause the plane to crash.... and they knew this. The 737 planes were grounded for 20 months because of this. And you should have known this. It got blasted world wide for days on end in 2019 and 2020. So your accusation is rather outrageous which add that your posting out of a fanatic hatred towards the Chinese.

 

It's the same company.
And they knew their errors in the Max, and kept it quiet until 100's of people died.
People have been executed for less. They just paid some fines with the company credit card.

 

The manner in which that plane descended would certainly infer intent.

 

1. If you had taken five minutes out of your busy schedule to read this thread, you would have known that this issue has been addressed.

2. Notwithstanding that, while I do not mind constructive criticism or differences of opinion, I do ask that you give me the same level of respect that I give you.

You have absolutely NO reason to accuse me of having "fanatic hatred towards the Chinese". That statement is absolutely false. Either prove that I have expressed any kind of hatred toward anybody except Orange Jesus (and his cult members; not to be confused with his supporters) or retract that statement.

 

Where did he State anywhere that he hates the Chinese?

Because I read his post and I did not see any such thing. Did I miss it? Are my eyes getting bad, is it in very small print between one of the lines or something?

 

I think you meant a MD 95. Boeing 737 is not a wide body aircraft, like a DC 10, or Lockheed L-1011. The 737 and it's counterpart, the Airbus 320 and 220 family are short to mid range, twin engine aircraft. The Airbus 320 and 220 are the most comparable to the 737, depending on which version you are looking at.

 

Oh ppl can say all they want that it's not a 737 Max, but a different plane. The point still stands that it's the same company who did not give a rats butt about how many people died with their known flawed 737 Max. It is like that, since the people involved all remained seated and went on as if nothing happened. If a doctor who through malpractice got 100's of people killed would have been kicked out. Not just out the hospital, but from his profession.... at a bare minimum. I would rule out personal liability claims against such a person to bankrupt it's butt. But Boeing... absolutely nothing.

And I have every reason to accuse you of a fanatic hatred towards the Chinese.... since the accusation of the Chinese company not complying with safety protocols is presented as a fact, while you got no clue at all if it's true. With that I motivated my accusation. Currently you are absolutely avoiding addressing if you did or did not make up that they weren't following safety protocols, and demand me to respect that approach. That does say it all, now does it?

 

You missed the part that the poster claims the Chinese weren't following safety protocols, while the plane is privately owned and the poster got absolutely no clue what so ever if that company followed safety protocols. And so I am filling in why that poster is coming up with such an insane irrational accusation with the most plausible theory. And hey, if one thinks it's normal to bluntly accuse who ever with mass murder without prove -which is quiet something-.... then what's the problem with an accusation of racism?

 

It sounds like you are mad at the legal process when planes crash.

Why are you taking that out on me though?

No, you have absolutely NO reason to claim that I have fanatical hatred toward the Chinese. I never said that. I never implied that. I've never thought that and I certainly don't live that.

First of all, the Chinese government arrested the doctor that sent out a warning video about how bad COVID was. Then, when COVID got out of China, they refused to allow investigators into the Wuhan Lab to determine what happened.

Then, the article I posted mentions they sent out their safety team to look for survivors and determine what happened to cause this crash.

I've already admitted that while my thought process was not a split second judgment call on their culpability, I understand that some people read it that way which is why I asked you to read the thread as that issue has already been addressed.

I never said they were not following safety protocols. I posted this article within minutes of it being posted online and the details were not even there at that time. They were still dispatching the safety teams to find the plane.

Nevertheless, even IF everything you think I meant was true, it is still not evidence that I have fanatical hatred toward the Chinese.

Are you going to retract that false accusation or not?

 

I'm not taking it out on you that the staff of Boeing got away with getting 100's of people killed.
I'm just noting that those people still work there without a care in the world, and so can do it again.
If anything, they learned they can get away with it.

The reason: you got no prove that they weren't following safety protocols.
Your rebuke: <<crickets>>

Absolutely not relevant at all. This is pure whataboutism.

And so it means
1) you got no ammo to claim the government is trying to cover anything up like in Covid. So please end that utter stupid comparison that is utterly irrational.
2) you got no clue if they were breaching safety protocols. Yet that is what you claimed.

You posted "China needs to get their safety protocols in check"
You've been called out on that blaming all of China thing. You first denied you blamed China. And eventually you admitted your dumb error about specific blaming China. I am calling you out on the "safety protocols in check". You got no freaking idea if they breached them protocols. And so what we got is:

You are accusing the company (and first all of China) breaching safety protocols with NO PROVE, and want it to be an opinion that must be respected.
I am filling in the blanks of the why with the most plausible explanation.