Border wall

Actually Mr Trump's immigration policy has had an effect on employers who depend on immigrant labor.
As a result they may well vote against him.
One example is the blue crab fisherman who depended on Mexican labor every year to harvest the crab meat.
Also there is a shortage of doctors in this country. Yesterday my wife's doctor told us that our supply of new doctors is partially dependent on Trump's immigration policy.

 

Oops! I meant the other kind of "looks bad".

The kind that gives a bad impression.

 

Perhaps he really wanted us to build him his own pyramid.
The wall was his second choice.
We brag about tearing down a wall in Europe...then want to build one of our own.
Do politicians in your country display such confusion?

 

Yep. There are lots of things that could be done.

Those things will continue to not be done, because too many elected officials oppose them.

The only major bill, that would have any chance of passing, would be an amnesty bill.

 

Opposition to the wall is diverse. It doesn't address those who will come by air - so at such a cost, it doesn't serve the purpose sufficiently. And while discussing cost, many oppose it now because they want to hold Trump's feet to the fire for his campaign cornerstone promise of Mexico paying for it.

 

The vast majority of drugs enter America through OFFICIAL PORTS OF ENTRY.

Suggesting spending money on the wall to reduce drug traffic is just plain STUPID.

If we want to interdict at the border, we would do more at our official ports of entry.

 

If that were true, you could show that by using crime stats.

I've never seen such stats that would indicate that immigrants are more likely to commit crime than US citiznes are. In other words, we would do more to combat crime by addressing the citizen population.

The primary reason people come here illegally is to work.

Let's also remember that of the 10 or 12 million undocumented residents here, almost half came LEGALLY.

Trump's border fixation doesn't even acknowledge the FACTS of immigration.

We need a comprehensive solution such as the one backed by the US Senate (including Rubio and McCain) and a majority of the Housee at the time it was created by a bipartisan committee.

We're not going to get control of anything by piece meal nonsense spouted by Trump and promoted by hate.

 

the stats are that 100% of them are criminals they crossed the border illegally.

I'm not talking about immigrants I'm talking about illegal aliens. And 100% of them are criminals that's the stats because they broke the law to get here.

not the crime of illegal entry into the country.

and mooch off of public assistance.

I'm talking about illegal aliens not immigrants I don't know why it's impossible for you people to understand there's a difference.

immigration is a completely different subject. the border wall is to prevent or halter slow down illegal border crossings.

a wall would be part of that.

Doing nothing doesn't seem to work either.

 

Building the wall wil make it more difficult to smuggle illegal drugs

 

I see you have a problem with analogy. Trump's lied to coal miners to win their votes.

DACA kids are in every aspect except a piece of paper are us citizens. The kind of immigrants you want. Speak English, work, pay taxes, etc. So naturally the bulk of those people would support the party that championed their plight.

You see the analogy?

 

The wall is something that is appropriate today- not because we like the idea of having walls, but because the southern immigrants make it necessary. I believe that America accepts more immigrants than any other country, so we are not against immigration- but immigration must be a controlled process, not an invasion. America has somewhere between 11 million and 20 million illegals here already, and the vast majority have entered by crossing the southern border. It has become an industry, with promoters promising people things that aren't true, and charging them substantial fees to "guide" them across the river, across the deserts- while generally, the guides disappear and leave migrants on their own, often in the middle of the deserts that constitute most of the southern border. It is not only very dangerous fr the migrants, it requires a huge amount of people and infrastructure to control- and our success is just not good enough. The cost of that is huge. The cost of dealing with the illegals that do get through is huge. While there is no obstacle that is absolutely impenetrable, places where a wall has been installed have seen a 90% reduction in illegal immigration. Bottom line is that the wall pays for itself in reducing other expense, and would give us control of the border again, and that is what we must maintain- control of the immigration process. It's not racial or religious or based on any of the things that many critics say it is; it simply safety, security, control of change. The fight over it is more of a political feud, a vendetta of sorts against the president by the leftists. Many of the same politicians who fight the wall now have voted firmly for fence and wall constructions in the past.

Why is there no wall on the northern border? Because we have good neighbors there, who respect our border just as we do their. If that were true on the Mexican border, there would be no consideration of a wall.

 

The wall has some merits in deterring illegal immigration how much is up for debate. I personally think spending the money on modern technology like drones /sensors would be a more efficient use of the money

 

I just heard that a gofundme page should be started...if everyone who voted for Trump contributed 80 dollars, it would be a done deal!

 

About half those here without documentation came here LEGALLY.

Being here without documentation is NOT A CRIME.

At least you admit that a wall is only a partial solution to the problem of people running that one particular border - while leaving legal means as well as illegal means of entering the entire remainder of our border, including sea and Canada.

 

That is absolute nonsense.

If we had $5B to spend on drug traffic interdiction it would be just plain STUPID to spend it on building a wall.

And, as it turns out NOBODY thinks we have have $5B for drug traffic interdiction.

 

that doesn't make the least bit of sense. I was talking specifically about people who illegally crossed the border. How do people legally illegally cross the border?

I would concede to that if you concede to departing them is not a punishment.

Well we do have coast guard. Import customs and a lot of different things to filter and vet people who come in.

If we had a problem with low-skilled and unskilled people immigrating from the north I would think of border wall would be a good idea there. But as I understand it we don't have a severe problem with unskilled people sneaking over the northern border.

 

They get a visa, cross and then stay. They get a temporary work permit for farm labor, come here and stay. Etc.

Sure, we make some level of effort to keep people from coming in.

BUT, the fixation on the border doesnt make sense in that it is barely more than half the problem. And, don't tell me we can work on the rest later, because the methods of entry have strong linkages, AND making one method less frequent just puts pressure on other methods of entry.

The bipartisan immigration bill passed in the Senate (which would have passed the House had Boehner not blocked it) attacked the problem with multiple approaches designed to work together.

Now Trump is demanding a highly expensive "solution" that is destined to fail on its own while leaving other routes entirely unaddressed.

He is doing this for political reasons alone. No real solution requires spewing hate and ignoring the FACT that the Democratic congressional majority came together with Repubicans to form a REAL solution backed by Republicans such as Rubio.

We're seeing the worst leadership fiasco in presidential history on this issue. No president should have been allowed to fail so monumentally.

 

So they legally cross the boarder...duh... That's why I specifically mentioned those that illegally cross the boarder. Please read and comprehend before responding.

well solving half the problem is more than solving none of the problem.

immigration policy has nothing to do with the problem. I'm not talking about immigration I'm talking about illegal aliens that is not immigration. Immigration is legally coming here

Notice I said coming here.

Illegal entry is not immigration immigration policies would have nothing to do with it.

you said yourself that would solve half the problem. Focusing on immigration when we're not talking about immigration were talking about illegal aliens who are not immigrants is nothing that solves it 0% of the problem.

50% of the problem being solved is better than 0% of the problem being solved it's simple math.

well no s*** we're talkin about policy. What other reason would there be?

it's quite standard to hear about this imaginary hate that always seems to be expressed by people who disagree with you yet you can never quantify.

The only thing you said that could be construed as a solution had to do with immigration. I'm not really concerned with immigration if people want to immigrate here and they do it legally which is what immigration is I don't have a problem with it. that's what immigration is so reforming something that has nothing to do with the illegal aliens does nothing.

So spewing idiotic stupidity and trying to say that it has anything to do with something completely unrelated it's not a solution at all.


I don't think we need to worry about immigration at the moment we need to worry about illegal aliens that is the problem that is the only problem.

Obama's term is over

 

We are building the wall to keep anyone and anything from invading our coutry from mexico

The wall will impede the flow of illegal drugs and people

 

By your logic, BLM, the NFL kneelers, and the rest of the mass of victims of institutional racism who rotted in jail while Democrat Presidents dithered on prison reform will rally around the one man who made it happen. Think that's in the cards?

 

Trump didn't make it happen. this crime bill has been in the works for at least five years. Kudos to Kushner and his acknowledged work to make it happen. But it does register on the president's list of legislative accomplishments regardless of how much he may or may not have contributed to the effort.

given trump's myriad other problems, a solid administration win like this is LOST amidst the madness.