Boston Bombing Confirms Need for Street Cameras

I just spent an hour and a half just from reported posts on 5 or 6 pages in this thread. I had to deleted too many posts for being "Personal Attacks".

Stay on topic. Remember you can attack the message and not the messenger.

This is my only warning.

Jiyuu-Freedom
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There's no need for me to go live in the desert since I can stay in the city and not have to worry about my every move being monitored. You're the one that feels that they are in danger, remember? I'm the contented one.

 

Nonsense? So you actually think that you'll be successful in banning metal spheres? Is it metal itself that you'd be banning, or just that particular shape? What about metal cylinders, cubes, or cones? Would those be allowed in your "safe" utopia?

 

Yes, 1984 had nothing to do with Big Brother watching you...nothing at all...nope.

 

What you 'imagine' I was saying, is "nonsense"... yes.

I didn't say anything about 'banning' things.

 

Nor has STUPID commentary (as in the above) been 'banned'.

America is just wonderful.

 

Gee, another poster spouting nonsense to back his ridiculous assumptions.

 

Challenge accepted.

Give me a minute to post it.

 

Where are you coming up with this nonsense? This "pair" are not socialists and Obama certainly was not their inspiration.

Oh, you can't, because people on missions who's end result is death aren't stop by recording gadgets.

Cameras can also be used to stop these people before something happens. NYC does a good job on that. The cameras will also make sure that they are captured, maybe making other think twice before doing something.

You people refuse to admit it, but an immigrant is someone here with our permission, on our sufferance, and we do reserve the right to kick their asses out if they don't measure up. An illegal alien is not an immigrant, he's a criminal.

We were talking about people who were given asylum and then became citizens. What undocumented immigrants are you talking about?

 

Abe Lincoln would disagree.

 

Of course you did. It's nice to see you backing off of it now that you've been shown how ridiculous your position is, though.

 

Right, because Lincoln didn't care about the Constitution or the will of the people...but what's your point?

 

See, the thing with CCTV cameras is that they're visible. A visible camera frequently acts as a deterrent by itself, so is unlikely to spot a terrorist in the act. Any criminal with an ounce of nous won't do anything underhand anywhere near a camera.

 

True, while the government is made up of "the people" it is there to also serve the peolple....in theory. May I expand?

The US government has become a self propagating growth entity more concerned with growing itself than serving the people. If the government was really concerned with serving the people it would stand back and let them be instead of controlling every move those people make. The more power it has, the more power it wants and the more power it grabs. The government is made up of people, people are greedy, people crave power, the power to tell other people what to do, the power to tax, the power to rule. And what better way to obtain that power than the government. You cannot change human nature. Our government in particular, because of our election system has fallen victim to special interests who pretty much openly buy our politicans and the laws that benefit those special interests at the cost of those without power. This is why I pay twice the tax rate of billionare Warren Buffett. This is why Wall Street billionaires can fleece half the workers in this country of a huge chunk of their retirement savings, and instead of going to jail, get billions of tax dollars thrown at them as a reward. (I lost 30% of my 401K value, which basically set my plan back 10 years). This is how an envisioned universal health care system was turned into a windfall for Americas insurance companies. This is how the MIC contrived two wars to revive the industry.

And this is exactly why I do not want the government to be allowed more power over me, that power to watch my every move though a CCT system. That CCT system will be bought and controlled by that handful of people who now control our politicians. That handful of people will have the power to make everyone perform to their narrow standards. To me, that eliminates freedom. Every time you walk out the door you'll be on stage. Your every action to be judged by some unseen government entity. Are you talking too loud? Will your hair or dress be objectionable to that nameless government face? If you kiss your wife on the cheek will you be issued a summons? If you discipline your child too loudly or on a way that nameless watcher doesn't agree, will social service swarm down on you like a swat team and take them away? That's not freedom. That's being turned into a puppet.

I'm not fearmongering, that's the evolution of a watched and controlled society that has to whisper behind closed doors. That's the words of someone who knows the real freedom we used to have just a few decades ago.

 

No, you're you're NOT the contented one. You're the one who is whining that street cameras take away (or will take away) your freedoms. This, while the normal people in this thread sit and wonder what freedoms you think you'll somehow lose in the presence of a street camera. With street cameras in operation you can walk, you can talk, you can sing, you can run, skip, play musical instruments (if your local laws allow), you can ride a bike, or a motorcycle, drive a car, etc etc.

The only freedom you might be restricted from with street cameras is the freedom to commit crimes. You wouldn't have the "freedom" to rob, rape, assault, kill, commit arson, etc. and that's just as it should be. Is that what's hanging you up ?

 

That is correct. It had to do with HOW BB was watching , and what BB was doing. As long as the street cameras are operated properly without infringing on anyone's right, they are perfectly harmless, and are helpful in giving us MORE FREEDOM (from criminals and crime).

 

1) The Gettysburg Address is not the Constitution.

2) Lincoln dd not say "Government is the people".

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Today government "serves" the people like it was reading a cookbook.

 

No, it doesn't. There's been millions of crimes committed with surveillance cameras right there. How many times a week does your local "Eye-Baloney News" show you a video of a some thug Obama Supporter robbing a mini-market, and how many times have we seen videos of "flash mobs" robbing department stores?

And then some ******* hauls out a link or two to some random crime committed in an area where camera coverage is scarce, and you people want to pretend that cameras are the Third Coming, after you elected your Kenyan Messiah.

Nobody's buying it, we can see the game you people are playing, even though you people can't. Go read 1984, go study some (*)(*)(*)(*)ing history, stop being stupid and gullible.

 

Maybe you haven't watched Truth TV or any of the TV shows about videos. They are replete with videos of criminals committing crimes right in front of obvious cameras, often even without a mask (like the Tsarnaev brothers). I guess when it comes down to it, many, if nor most, criminals don't have an ounce of nous (whatever that is). If they did they'd be doctors, lawyers, or military officers, not criminals.

Also, many street cameras are not too visible. They can be set up so they are not visible at all. Cameras can be disguised as ball point pens, or anything. And if they were visible and deterred crime, that would be creating a crime-safe area - also a good thing.

 

It's an old trick of many; you're just trying to put words into my mouth. I didn't call for any particular "ban". Please, stop with the deceptive nonsense.

 

All this stuff about "special interests who pretty much openly buy our politicans and the laws that benefit those special interests at the cost of those without power" we learned about 40-50 years ago, in college, when we had books like The Rich and the Super Rich, The Power Elite, and Who Rules America, shoved down our throats. Yeah, no sh-t Sherlock. So what else is new ?

The fact still remains (within the topic of this thread) that street cameras help us to prevent crime and to catch criminals if/whenever they commit them, and no everything isn't controlled by the power elite. Street cameras have little to do with corporate America and it's phony respectability while robbing the middle class and poor.
And if you have to whisper behind closed doors, why ? Are you committing crimes ?

 

You responded to my post # 148 (with it quoted in your Post # 167). Then, you talked about the Gettysburg Address and Abraham Lincoln - NEITHER of which I ever mentioned in post # 148, or any other post. Are you OK ? I mean really.

 

And when those cameras saw and recorded those thugs robbing those mini-markets, that told the police (and all of us) who did it, and the thieves are apprehended soon thereafter. Cameras work well to both deter and to catch criminals after the act was committed.

 

Even if he was or I was, it's none of your damn business. People want privacy at least to an extent in public - unlike you, we are highly suspicious of the government, which is why we don't want them watcing us whereas you are fine with it because you trust them completely.

I can't trust a government that can kill anyone with a drone if the president labels them a terrorist, where you can be thrown in Guantanamo Bay because something you did makes them think you're one, where the CIA can legally do whatever it wants whenever it wants, or that would contemplate bombing Americans or lie to falsely start a war. Those are just a few examples. You need to look at how governments have acted throughout history and realize the truth: in the end, the government always becomes concerned with nothing but itself, at the expense of the people, and we, the people, must stop that from happening. People like you, that don't hold politicians' feet to the fire and be suspicious of everything they do have caused the USA to slide towards an authoritarian state.

 

There are currently, as in today, right now, the present reality, NOT government cameras all over the place. I am content with that state of affairs. You're the one that wants to change the status quo...thus you are NOT content...you're scared witless. Do you understand now?

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If you say so, Johnny...As long as you've seen the error of your ridiculous ways.