BREAKING: Robert Mueller is speaking right now, for the first time since the report was released

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  1. Kode

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    I said "After you watch it, please get back to me and summarize for me what you heard in those two minutes from 4:15 to 6:33."

    I know why you didn't. The facts conflict with the lie being propagated by the extreme right.
     
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    Where did he say he evidence to do so, he was perfectly free to list the crimes if any Trump commited, THAT WAS HIS JOB. Since when are Presidents immune and able to commit any crime they wish because they cannot be prosecuted? YOU guys were clamoring for him to be prosecuted of crimes associated with Russian collusion some even saying treason. If Mueller thought he could not charge Trump with a crime then why did he take the job of the criminal investigation? His phony, to preserve and freeze evidence? Of what and for what purpose if the President cannot be charged with a crime?
     
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    It certainly helps to show what was obstructed and how. What was obstructed here and how?
     
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    You mean like the Mueller investigation and Congress investigating his "ties to Russia".
     
  5. Kode

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    So you're intentionally dodging it. Thanks.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    If you got something to say about it say it.
     
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    He did list several instances of obstruction, and specifically said the constitution has remedies for a lawless president.
     
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    Impeachment is on the table, but what can't be finished had best not be started.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    There's nothing to dodge, Mueller brought forth no charge or allegation of a crime. The AG, the DAG and OLC reviewed and found no crime.
     
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    Mueller is still constipated, but at least he got off the pot.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    Where did he say there was obstruction of justice? The AG the DAG and OLC reviewed the evidence and none reached the level of obstruction of justice. The constitution clearly says a person subject to impeachment is also subject to legal prosecution. Mueller brought no criminal charge or recommendation for prosecution.
     
  12. The Mello Guy

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    it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

    You think he said that because he found no crimes? Lol just a random non-sequitor?
     
  13. MrTLegal

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    Once more, with feeling.

    Is Actual Obstruction a required element of the crime?
     
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    It certainly is if somebody is going to be charged with the crime of obstruction of justice.
     
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    "Potentially accuse"? What is that? You accuse or your don't. And any obstruction of justice charge can be adjudicated in a court of law, it just has to wait until he is out of office, stop with the canard. After not being removed for the crimes Starr presented to the Congress the indictment was held until he was leaving office and then the criminal charges were plea bargain. Mueller could have done exactly the same.
     
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    It certainly helps to show what was obstructed and how. What was obstructed here and how?
     
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    Forget responsibility for the attack, I was talking about responsibility for the response.
     
  18. The Mello Guy

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    He obviously disagrees. Starr was not a DOJ employee. Mueller was.

    Ken Starr, who was the independent counsel who investigated Clinton, said he did not believe he was constrained by the OLC guidance.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ed-with-crime/XpX8UKrbZHaSFUHGiRLSiI/amp.html
     
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    The mueller investigation. That was easy!
     
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    Where did Mueller say his investigation was obstructed? How was it obstructed?
     
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    Starr took the criminal charges to the Speaker of the House, impeachment proceedings were begun. The Democrats said obstruction of justice, perjury, subornation of perjury and witness tampering did not rise to the level of impeachment so Starr did not start the prosecution under the guidelines. As Clinton was leaving office then IC Robert Ray presented him with the indictment he was ready to serve and prosecute offering him a plea bargain since he had already been held in contempt of court for the same offense and fined $900,000. Mueller could do the same, bring the criminal charge, ask for an impeachment, getting that then proceed with the prosecution else waiting until Trump is out of office otherwise.

    No collusion, no obstruction, no charges not even waiting charges.
     
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    In his report. He gives several examples.
     
  23. The Mello Guy

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    He didn’t, said he couldn’t and explained why. Maybe we need a new special counsel who isn’t bound by the constitution?
     
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    No. It is not an element of the crime.
     
  25. MrTLegal

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    "Certainly helps" is a way to avoid answering a simple yes or no question.

    But you need to learn, so I am just going to tell you straight up. Actual obstruction is not an element of the crime of Obstruction of Justice.
     
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