Brilliant pro-life arguments!

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  1. The Mandela Effect

    The Mandela Effect Well-Known Member

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    I am sure people that murder say the same thing. It's a very weak stance to take that screams of a person unwilling to deal with the result of there action's. I hope when I ring up 40k in debt that I can just claim I withdraw my consent to paying and bam I don't have to deal with it any longer with no punishment.
     
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    Why not? Trump does....


    Now what your silly post had to do with abortion is anyone's guess....
     
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    The Mandela Effect Well-Known Member

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    Trump is just one of the elite that get's to throw the rules in the trash like the rest. Doesn't mean I would get away with it.

    I get the feeling that I would need to use an extreme again to explain it so maybe I will just let that point go.
     
  4. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is another approach to the Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice question that I did indeed consider brilliant......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tial-leaders-for-the-democratic-party.489935/

    Nominations for potential leaders for the Democratic Party.


    Robert Mendelson:
    I also gave him my own opinion on this......

     
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  5. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is pretty much exactly what happens........
    but expecting mothers are not told clearly what is done......
    instead they are often told that it is only tissue..... not really a baby.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I sent him off a suggestion that he put forward a "Ban on Intra - cardiac potassium chloride injections on singletons" in 2015...... If he had permitted a Conservative Party member to introduce that anti-feticide bill........ he might have done much better in the 2015 election.

    But...... you could be correct.... and he might have done even worse..... but it still would have tended to mobilize his base.
     
  7. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Medical professionals.....
    just like politicians and bureaucrats......
    are facing a great deal of pressure and are scared of speaking or writing the full truth on this......

    and certain other subjects.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tural-cures-for-cancer-are-suppressed.294534/

    Do you suspect that natural cures for cancer are suppressed?



    Do you suspect that large companies suppress truth about natural remedies?

    1. No, that is ridiculous and absurd!!!!!!!!!
      65 vote(s)
      56.0%
    2. *
      Sure....we all have an evil streak in us!
      21 vote(s)
      18.1%

    3. Yes, but misleading information on supposedly natural remedies is even worse!
      32 vote(s)
      27.6%

    4. My doctor would never do that!!!!
      1 vote(s)
      0.9%
     
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    You mean they are given FACTS...and the FACTS are that NO "babies" are aborted....

    ...and it's still the woman's choice :nana: even if YOU believe women are nothing more than children or cattle who need YOU to rule them...
     
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    You could try facts to explain things.......for a change...
     
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    Did you research WHY they use those injections?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635748

    They are NOT using it to abort a normal fetus but instead one that would have severe birth defects assuming that it survived the rest of the pregnancy.

    Why must a women be forced to give birth to an unhealthy child that is going to need constant care, attention and probably a lot of money to cater for special needs?

    There is nothing even remotely "brilliant" about forcing that onto both the woman and the unfortunate child.
     
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    Thank you! Great post.

    But remember the Anti-Choicers only care about fetuses...once it's born they don't care what it, or it's family, go through.
     
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    Reminicent of a sort of joke....

    Take a bowl of water
    Sprinkle the water with black pepper so you can "see" the pepper
    Now take a capful of Dawn dishwashing detergent and pour it in the center of the bowl

    The black pepper will "recoil" and "withdraw" to the water's edge.

    Is the pepper feeling pain?

    Or maybe there's a real scientific explanation.
     
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    Yes, babies are just some sort of pepper.
     
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    That reflects a misunderstanding of the nervous system. These reflexes do not require the brain at all, but rather a loop of neurons between the receptors, to the spinal cord, and back to the muscles. These develop before the mind. It helps us survive when our hand can recoil from a hot surface without us thinking about it first.
     
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    The rape exceptions are totally illogical from multiple angles. My angle is it's either a person or it's not. If it were a person, two wrongs would not make a right. The evidence suggests the fetus is NOT a person, fortunately.
     
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    Unresponsive.

    The pepper responds to the stimulus. Does its response "prove" black pepper has intelligence? Experiences pain?

    If not, the "fetal pain" argument disappears.
     
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    For the majority of the cases in the USA what you just quoted could well be true but here in Canada the foetus has zero legal protection of any kind.......
    and many healthy fetuses are being aborted.
     
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    I doubt that many, if any at all, abortions are done that way here in Canada. Most abortions (92%) are first trimester, which is vacuum aspiration, though the abortion pill will be available soon, if it isn't already.
     
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    Exactly. I went for carpal tunnel testing a few weeks ago. The doctor put electrodes on my hands/fingers and then sent an electrical current to them, which made my hands jump. It was not a conscious movement on my part, but a reflex movement in response to the stimulus.
     
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    Which is how it should be.
     
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    Amoeba experience " pain" Or at least retreat from potentially damaging stimuli. Next silly arguement please.
     
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    In theory 97% of all fetuses that are aborted are "healthy" but that is an assumption because there is the probability that 25% of those might subsequently have miscarried. So let's just say that 70-75% are healthy.

    That a fetus has "zero legal protection" is irrelevant because abortion is legal.

    Neither of the above has anything at all to do taking away the reproductive rights of women. You can't use those as the basis to force your personal beliefs on others because that violates another part of the Constitution, namely the 1st Amendment freedom from religion clause.
     
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    In the USA the foetus has much more legal protection from being aborted than here in Canada.

    In my opinion.... we Canadians should be closer to the way that this is applied in the USA.
     
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    And IMO the Canadians are way too smart to want to touch that slippery slope, let alone step out onto it.

    Abortion is a legal medical procedure and does not need a bunch of agenda driven loonies dictating what can and cannot be done inside a woman's body.

    Furthermore your goal is to be elected. From the polls I have seen support for doing what you propose is in the single digits in Canada.

    You are never going to win an election on that platform even in rural areas IMO. Women just don't like the idea of someone else taking away their rights and choices so that automatically provides your opponent with about 45% of the local electorate.
     
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    We have it right here in Canada. The govt. should not be involved in the issue at all. And people without uteruses should not be telling those of us with them what to do with ours and their contents.
     
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