Britain’s Failed Weapons-Control Laws Show Why the Second Amendment Matters

'Although England’s 1689 Bill of Rights recognized the right to possess defensive arms, that right is now a dead letter, as are many of the others enumerated in that document. So today, Great Britain has trapped itself in a vicious cycle of rising crime and intensifying repression.'

Gun and knife bans etc are nothing more than an abject admission of failure , lack of imagination and worse ,become oppressive towards the innocent.


Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/britain-failed-weapons-control-laws-curb-self-defense-rights/

 

That's why there is a stabbing or shooting once a week in London and seventy alone in Chicago on a weekend.

 

Apparently they have drive by shootings in London now:



Boys who plotted UK school shooting guilty of murder conspiracy

Police release video of gunman shooting woman in car in London

 

New York City had 1500 reported rapes. (source here: New York City: Number of Rapes Hits Grim Milestone )

London had over 7000 reported rapes. (source here)


Both cities have about the same population. (NYC 8.5 million, London 8.7 million)

 

back up link, in case the video above stops working: https://www.dw.com/en/no-future-for-the-young-in-britain/av-40874352

 

Don't just lazily post isolated statistics with no attempt to explain how they relate to the discussion.

 

Says the man who posted a report saying that homicides were up in the US after Heller, even thought the homicide rate had halved in the only location whose laws were actually affected by Heller.

 

Don't be disingenuous. Heller inspired people to challenge other gun laws such as Chicago's handgun ban.

 

Actually it does not say that.

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Please show what laws have been overturned by reference to Heller, and the associated increase in homicides in the places under the laws' effects.

 

good..they should challenge these laws

 

Oops!

 

Sorry, your actual statistics are not welcome here - this is a conservative circle jerk and facts interfere with orgasms.

 

Yes indeed there are mass shootings/killings in the UK every week just as in the US....LOL

To me a fund should had been set up for the Parkland survivors to allow them to finish their education in the nice gun free UK if they care to do so.

 

The obvious question of "so what?" must be asked with regard to the above. Why does it matter that firearm-related restrictions have been challenged in court. Which have actually been overturned for being unconstitutional, and how did such do anything to supposedly lead to an increase in homicides?

 

Tedious insults aside, at what point do statistics override Constitutional rights?

 

Those figures just relate to the borough of Camden

Why London's rape count is so much higher than that of New York is an excellent question. The first question to ask is whether apples and oranges are being compared in terms of how rape is defined in each jurisdiction, or how individual cases are defined. For example, violent assault numbers jumped in the UK when the recording method was changed. A person being assaulted by two people used to be counted as a single assault, under the new definition it would be two.

 

In the UK, rape appears to be more broadly defined:
"The Sexual Offences Act 2003 states that the definition of ‘rape' is the penetration with a penis of a vagina, anus or the mouth of another person when consent has not been given."
https://www.localsolicitors.com/criminal-guides/a-guide-to-uk-rape-laws

Under New York's penal code forcible penetration of an anus or mouth is defined as a criminal sexual act but not as rape.
http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article130.htm#p130.25

I'm not sure that rape rates have anything to do with gun control. One could argue that an armed woman is less likely to be raped, but are there any case control studies that actually support that? The only such studies I know of show that a woman is more likely to be murdered by an intimate partner if she lives in a home where a gun is kept.

 

Yep, and may the door hit 'em in the ass on their way out. I hope they never come back.

 

<Rule 3/4>

A) This is a thread about England - not the US.
B) Where did I say that Americans couldn't own guns?

 

Such a callous attitude towards survivors of a mass shooting.

 

One is not a survivor of a mass shooting unless they were actually shot, or they were actually in the line of fire and shot at. Merely being in the general location of an incident that took place is not good enough to qualify as being a survivor. Otherwise every citizen of the united states that is currently alive qualifies as being a survivor of the twin towers incident on September eleventh.

 

Spare me your crocodile tears.

The "mass shooting" wouldn't have happened if the FBI and local authorities had done their jobs. They didn't. It wouldn't have happened if proper security measures had been in place. There are any one of a hundred factors these "survivors" could have sought to advocate to change that might have actually accomplished something; instead they chose to advocate to strip law-abiding Americans of their Constitutional rights, something many of their classmates and fellow survivors wanted no part of. These punks are grandstanding and trying to get their 15 minutes of fame at the expense of the Constitution, and that drains me of any compassion I might ever have had for them.

 

We've been bringing in violent people longer.

You're doing real good catching up though.

You already beat New York. Five years you'll pass Chicago.

 

I'm glad you posted that.

Why are the police crime statistics going up, and the crime survey going down?

You do know how they count crime with 2 different methods in the UK, right?