Buttigieg: Trump’s fake injury ‘an assault on the honor of this country’

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/26/buttigieg-trumps-fake-injury-1345025

I love this line of attack. Trump claims to love the military and yet has never served specifically because he faked an injury through a doctors excuse supplied by a guy who owed his father a favor.

And what is trump, or any trump supporter, going to do to disprove this allegation?

Trump does not even remember which foot had the bone spur.

 

Trump was scouted by the Red Sox and Phillies. The physical that was conducted by the Phillies staff before a baseball camp session identified the foot issue.


Buttigieg is simply wrong. Desperation makes you vulnerable to having to grasp for fake information.

 

That line of attack isn't gonna go anywhere for Buttplug.

I've said this elsewhere, once the press decided that defending Bill Clinton meant (among other things) downplaying his being a draft-dodger especially in light of his opponent Bush 41 who had served, it kinda opened the door to stuff like what Trump did being accepted. The press did it's job TOO well. When it convinced the hoi polloi that bad behavior and deviancy was acceptable, it also ensured that it's not gonna matter further on down the line. It's the same reason that attacks on Trump being a boor towards women don't really stick. I mean, he IS a boor - but when the press' defense of said boorish behavior is "It's the economy, stupid!" when Bubba does it - well, what else are you gonna expect to happen when the same kind of obnoxious behavior comes up again? It got normalized; there's no going back.

I saw this coming in the 90's. You'd think the Legacy Media would understand that they created a monster - guess they're not smart enough to realize cause and effect.

 

Are you saying the people who attacked Clinton for dodging stopped caring about that issue because the media said to? Lol

 

They also stopped caring about the debt, the deficit, ethics, morality, integrity, protecting our institutions, family values, global respect for America...

Oh wait, that’s Republicans after trumps election.

 

And he has orange hair.

 

So very true.

Trump is a Treasonous Draft-Dodging VETERAN HATER that is a disgrace to the USA.

Bone Spurs?

 

I'm saying that once you normalize bad behavior for one person, you normalize it for all. And that's exactly what they did.

Hey, I recall the 90's. The press went full-on defending Bill. He had Hilla out there defending him. It was a full-court press covering him - and you get that kinda saturation, yeah you're gonna convince people of it. And I'll repeat the quote again: "It's the economy, stupid!" You had the Legacy Media saying that hey, everyone did it, Bill's still doing his job, and the economy is doing great. It was a media PR blitz - and people started buying it. In fact, the GOP started getting called prudes for saying this kind of behavior was abhorrent whereas had this happened just a couple decades ago it would have been a disaster. Whereas the press had covered for JFK knowing his affairs, thirty years later they said hey, what he's doing, who are you to judge considering you've likely cheated on your wife too? Heck, if even Gloria Steinem was defending him, it must be okay.

And they did the same thing with Bill being a draft dodger, they normalized that too. You need look no further than the New York Times right HERE.

"Hey, sure he was a draft dodger, but see, others did it too. Hey, Quayle did it. And everyone did it back then, it's irrelevant now." Given that the Legacy Media was willing to defend this kind of behavior - and it worked; the guy got elected and all - I'd say yeah, people for the most part DID stop caring about it - and again, because the press did it's job too well. That's why I say that Buttplug's attack won't get any traction - because people have become numb to this kind of attack, they've been told it didn't matter regarding Bill, so why should it matter at all?

Like I said before - I saw this coming in the 90's. The press decided that defending their pet Clinton was more important than having standards. Presto - no more standards.

 

You just (essentially) said the Exact SAME Thing in Post #3.

Emptying out the Bill Clinton Copypasta File tonight?

In any event, Trump (and his Bone Spurs) is/are a Disgrace to America.

 

His campaign manager must not be too good at his job if he thought rehashing a low energy slam that's already been cycled through a dozen times was a good idea. Somebody should tell Pete that if he wants that sweet CNN headline space hes going to have to swing wider to the left than the rest of the field. Which at this point is going to be pretty damned difficult considering how moonbat radical his competition has gone. I mean is there even any more free stuff left to promise?

 

Here we go again:

Please note how when he asked for clarification, that I actually provided a link proving my point. This is called a "debate". Someone asks a question, the other poster provides a response, usually using something called "proof" - often with a "hyperlink" (commonly known simply as a "link") so that others can see the "evidence" then judge for themselves. In this case, proof was provided - and it was from the NYT, an acceptable source quite friendly to the LW that should provide no stress for the left to read and peruse. I invite everyone on this thread to look at it then discuss the actual topic, perhaps even address the point that Buttplug's attack is essentially worthless. If the NYT says draft dodging is acceptable for Bill, hey - why isn't it for Trump? You have as of yet provided no argument, and no grounds for debate. I look forward to your debating the merits of the argument at hand.

Do get back to us on this thread when you decide to start. I'm sure we all look forward to reading your arguments on the matter.

Until then?

 

Once it was alright for Bill Clinton to be a draft dodger, this line of attack lost much of its sting.

It's strange to see Leftists try and make a big deal about it now.

 

I can find absolutely no information that the Phillies conducted a physical of Trump. 'Scouted' means had a a look at a kid play, and then decide to go any further. I would find it really doubtful that the Phillies were so interested in Trump that they went so far as to provide a physical. Definitely willing to be proven wrong though.

 

Beleive me, it's much stranger to see the party that spent twenty years saying that "character matters" now deciding that it really really really doesn't. To see the party that took issue with draft dodgers, now not only defend one, but also applaud his desecration of a war hero while he was alive, and now in his death.

 

Well, it's like I said - standards SHOULD matter, but when you toss them out, you ain't getting them back unless there's some kind of cultural revolution which I don't see happening anytime soon.

Good Lord, drug use used to be something you didn't condone from candidates - until you had Bill saying "I didn't inhale" *wink*wink*nudge*nudge* - and the press laughing that off. So it didn't really matter too much when Obama was part of his Choom Gang. So at this point Trump could be doing lines in the Oval Office and who's gonna care? Oh, the Legacy Media will holler about it, but only because it's Trump - but again, who's gonna really care when such behavior has been excused BY the press for at least two previous presidents? And heck, I bet Trump IS doing drugs there. But even if they caught him red-handed with plenty of pictures, how's the media gonna condemn him when they've accepted it before?

And I've said it in this thread: Trump IS a boor. He's not really fit for the office. But that's not the point. The point is, Buttplug and the press can't take the same behavior and condemn someone after they've excused it for someone else. And Lord knows what the NEXT dozen presidents are gonna be like.

 

I know nothing about bone spurs and am relying on google. I did a google search for if bone spurs go away and this is what I found.

It is odd that Trump could not remember which foot his bone spurs were on if this statement is true. It would seem like he should still experience pain to this day and require treatments. Also it sounds like it would be very easy to prove that he had bone spurs since they never go away.

 

First reply to the OP debunks it, is ignored. Typical.

 

So did Biden, what's your point? You can't rap Trump without doing the same for Biden.

 

1st reply made a claim that I have found no evidence for on the whole wide internet. I asked respectfully in post #13 for evidence to back up that claim, and even stated that I was willing to be proven wrong. I have found no evidence of scouting reports by the Phillies in regards to Trump, and certainly no evidence that Trump had a physical performed by the Phillies, or reported to camp. As far as I can tell the only proof I have seen is that his old coach said that the Phillies, Red sox, and West Point had at one point scouted him. I have no reason to doubt that statement, but this certainly sounds like the "if you're up in this part of the state, you should have a look at the Trump kid. I hear he's pretty good" type of scouting. If it had gone much further than that, beleive me, Trump would have let us know. My kid is 12, his soccer club gets scouted regularly by pro clubs. Doesn't mean my kid is going pro any time soon, had physicals with the clubs, or even had any contact with the clubs
So I will ask you, like I asked the original poster, thank you for providing proof of this medical that the Phillies conducted on Trump verifying his bone spurs. perhaps your internet skills are better than mine. I certainly couldn't find anything.

 

LOL! Plenty on the Right think Trump is an Orange Ogre. But, the alternative of Hillary Clinton... he was an easy choice. He has pleasantly surprised me with good leadership.

 

OK, I've looked at as much internet as I can hack today. Here is all of my findings: prior to 2015 I have found no claim that Trump was scouted by the pros, not even by Trump. In 2015, his 89 year old ex baseball coach stated that Trump had been scouted by the Phillies. And later claimed it was the Phillies, Red Sox, and Westpoint. In one interview. In 2010 Trump vaguely said he "could have played pro". And that is it. There are no maintained scouting reports, no witnesses, certainly no medical reports or ANYTHING else. Not even any crazy right wing blog posts to support this claim.
I would appreciate it if the OP could post his proof of his statement, and perhaps Modernpaladin who jumped in both feet first can help in providing these disculpatory medical/scouting reports by the Phillies. I, for one, found none. To the contrary, the lack of ANY other information regarding the scouting of Trump makes me doubt it's veracity, but that is just more of a gut feeling.

 

To the person who said "everyone was dodging the draft" I would point out that nearly 60000 not only didn't dodge the draft but died there and another 75000 were severely disabled.
My objection to Bonespurs is his having equated having unprotected sex with many women as his own private Viet Nam after having successfully dodged the draft. THAT is a huge insult to the millions who went there and he really does owe them an apology for that.

Maybe the Phillies were secretly spying on him rather than scouting him and that explains why you can't find the reports. Maybe the Attorney General will declassify them.

 

What I remember about that period was the protests and sit-in's against that intrusion. Sure, we heard about the rich kids getting waivers and college kids getting deferments. We had many who fled to Canada. Ali went to jail for his refusal to go. We had a nation of kids with long hair and ty-died tee shirts preaching love over hate. It was a conflict between an older generation that obediently went off to fight WW ll and Korea without question against their kids who very much questioned our involvement in other countries wars. I served, but looking back on it now, we should have stayed out of Viet Nam. I feel like we should never have gone into Iraq and Afghanistan. I sometimes think that those kids who protested may have been smarter and more courageous than us.

 

So, one poster invests proof of Trump's medical condition, with a full throated aproval by another Trump fan sycophant, but when asked to provide proof, they go strangely silent. At least HB Surfer admits that Trump is morally corrupt. The rest of you right wingers who decided that it is becuase of the media that the fact that Trump dodged the draft is not a big deal (conveniently forgetting the sick things Trump said about McCain) really need to rethink your values.
Meanwhile, still waiting on that Phillies physical of Trump

 

The bolded portion above is complete and utter BS (and fabricated out of whole cloth).

Total BS.

There is a "story" that Trump was preliminary "scouted" by the Phillies (at some time around his final year of High School).

Trump was NEVER given a physical by the Phillies. Period.

And the assertion in the above quoted paragraph (regarding the physical) is 100% BS.