By atheists' own logic, they should belive in God

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  1. mihapiha

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    As a historian I cannot fully agree with that. The "dark ages" is a name from the renaissance to separate what they believe was the new more advance thing. In order for it to be new, you had to look back on something and say "oh, this was pretty bad, how it used to be". The middle ages were not really as "dark" as people may thing, and the scientific progress made in that time isn't that small really. Just to name something: For most of 500 years there was no slavery in Europe. So socially you lived better in the lower income bracket in Europe in 1200 than in America in 1800... Something to really think about.

    But your point is correct to a certain degree. As an Atheist I totally agree that the Christian religion at that point and time did slow down progress, but people in the middle were not stupid. Please don't be that naiv. It was just another period in human history. And without government funding nothing happens. It's just as simple as that. The Romans had more money to invest into philosophy and hence we believe they were more advanced, but if you think about it, no privat contracter could afford to build anything close what NASA has done in the past 50 years. There has to be government initiatives for whatever reason. Whether it's the initiative to study scrolls like in the middle ages or beginning from 1500 the initiative to explore the sea and planet...
     
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    I believe that humans originally advanced very quickly technologically and developed all sorts of incredible abilities, among them being time travel. Those humans traveled back in time and presented themselves as gods to the primitive people, thereby altering the timeline and inadvertantly retarding scientific development of the new timeline, which is our universe.
     
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    I dont believe this for an instant, but it does make perfect sense!
     
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    Conisdering what happend to Galileo and Giordano Bruno, thinking people were stupid wouldnt be the right avenue to explore. Fear of a totalitarian regime (A.K.A. the church) would be a better fit.
     
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    Just a little research and you may find out that Galileo Galilei and Giordano Bruno didn't really live in the "dark ages". Like I said before: There are about 1000 years of "Christian dark ages" in that graphic provided, and just because you don't know much about that period, doesn't mean that they didn't make progress. This is not an attack, because I realize that you really have to learn about this in college because nobody teaches that in high school. I'm only defending and displaying the misperception of an area, which got a wrongful name by some people looking down at them.

    Just to clarify too: In the middle ages people didn't think the earth was flat. That's also some label given later on them by the enlightenment period, just so the "enlightened" people would somehow be lifted above the people a couple hundred years ago. Hard to believe it's still sticks to this day. Actually there are only three papers in the middle ages who talk about the world being flat. All in Arabic. Obviously they must have been considered so irrational that the people saw no need in multiplying that paper or to translate it in any other language. Any leader who claimed to have world power, used as a symbol the ball. Even the pope!

    The "totalitarian regime" you're criticizing provided a structure in the middle ages, and became only really a problem with science. Science was in a later period, so it didn't have an impact on the middle ages. Who ever made that graphic clearly never read history books.

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    Just one more thing about that graphic: Do you really think it can be used for displaying the lack of progress in a scientific way, if the person who made it clearly can't spell "EVIDENCE" :lol:
     
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    I don't think you understand the idea of logic.
     
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