California high school students filmed giving Nazi salutes and singing Nazi war song

I tutor kids (in Britain) and I have stopped being surprised at what they don't know. Nice kids, not stupid, but the educational system has apparently been taken over by people who think that the only goal of the schools should be to teach something called "21st Century Skills" (by which they don't mean PHP programming and how to understand internet protocols, SMPT vs IMAP, but 'working together' and how to use your iPhone to look something up).

They do some specialist history -- Henry VIII for example -- and Hitler and the Nazis are not neglected over here -- the bomb craters have been filled in but there are still people -- one has lunch with us almost every day -- who can tell you what the 'doodlebugs' sounded like as they came overhead and then what it meant when their engines switched off -- but any general overview of history, a timeline, much less any real analysis.... zilch.

But my wife's granddaughter did do a wonderful project on Islam -- she had to draw up a business plan for a business that sold things Britain's growing Muslim population would like. I suggested suicide vests but her teacher rejected this idea.

 

And the great grandsons of those men honored by those statues, which didn't stand for slavery but for honor and devotion to duty, were the ones who beat Hitler.

 

nothing honorable about Confederate statues

 

Here's my reply:

 

How often have I heard from your side the statement, with respect to burning the American flag, "Hey man, don't get souptight... it's just a piece of colored cloth!"

The person saying this -- I've heard it a dozen times if I've heard it once -- probably thinks they've just made a very profound, and cool, observation, showing their intellectual superiority to the poor old conservative who is so dim-witted that he gets emotional about a piece of colored cloth!!!

Imagine that!!! When a piece of colored cloth is lowered while 'Taps' is played, at the funeral of a man who crawled across the broken lava at Iwo Jima, this cretin gets tears in his eyes!!!

When a motorcade comes slowly down the main street of a little town, with cars driven by the murderers of poor Michael Brown, lights flashing, bearing the coffin of a fallen soldier covered by a piece of colored cloth, those bonzos turn out holding little pieces of colored cloth on sticks, and put their hands over their hearts, or straighten up and salute. Ha ha ha ha ... what deplorables!!!! Hillary didn't say the half of it!!!!

Well ... a statue is just a piece of bronze.

So don't get so uptight about it.

 

I would not support a burning flag on the state house lawn or in the center of town sponsored by the government either

I support your right to hang a Confederate flag on your property, just not on the state house lawn or in the center of town

see the difference

 

I happen to agree with you.
The South has two peoples in it, Black and white. The government must represent both. So no Confedetate flags as parts of state flags, like I think Georgia used to have (and it was only put there when they were told to desegregate their schools.) Either that, or put in some African colors.
And I would have no objection at all at putting up some statues of Martin Luther King, or even Malcolm X, who was a great man. I think there are already some schools named after him

But doesn't it get your curiousity up that this statue-smashing stuff just started recently. We went through our de-segregaton fight in the South fifty years ago, and I was one of those Southerners who took part in it, and on the right side too. Back then, white Southern racists were killing Black people.

At that time, both Black and pro-Civil Rights whites like me understood the South and its people. That's why the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee had this little button, which we were all proud to wear:


It meant, whites, you don't have to give up your culture, your way of life, your sacred traditions ... just treat your fellow Southerers as human beings.

But then we were all trying to make a better America, not destroy it.

That's what the responsible people in the North wanted, once the South had been defeated militarily. Not to rub their noses in the dust -- they didn't see them as loathesome traitors, or sub-human slave mongers. They understood that good men can find themselves fighting for a bad cause.

Read about the final surrender of the Southern armies. I find it very moving.

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The brave men of the North didn't 'tear down' the brave men of the South. They honored them. But then the very concept of honorable behavior is completely alien to the sort of human garbage who burn American flags and tear down statues of brave Americans.

The current agitation over the statues of the men who were heroes for the Southern whites -- who had not much else in their lives, many being nearly as poor as the Southern Blacks -- is just a well-chosen tactic. They will re-write the history books as well.

You attack your enemy's weakest point, and after you have taken that ... you move on.

As they have been doing. George Washington is next. Sorry, is now.

And eventually Lincoln, who shared the same view of Blacks as Robert E Lee did.

Yes, yes, I know ... "Don't be silly, why, that's ridiculous."

Anyway, I won't convince you, but if any conservatives are reading this ... look ... this is how they think. Twenty years ago, this fellow, who is very reasonable, not a crazy leftist nutter, would have seen destroying the statues of Southern heroes as crazy. Now he accepts it. Tomorrow he will accept whatever new insanity the Left comes up with. And so our country slides toward some fate we cannot now imagine.

We've got to get out.

 

The day is coming when Lincoln is going to be reviled by the Left. It is inevitable. There is absolutely no doubt that he was a white separatist.

https://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

 

fake news

 

There you are actually wrong.
Is love an honorable thing?
Yes of course it is

" no man has any greater love than this, that he lay down his life for his friends "

Doubtlessly there were Confederate soldiers who died to save their friends which is as honorable a thing that a man can do.

Given how the north were worse to freed slaves than the southern slave owners were to their slaves, i see no honor in the union victory, just hypocrisy. I am glad the slaves were freed but to suggest the north had any moral high ground regarding bigotry is flat out false.

Yes there were Confederate heros who deserve remembrance.

 

Seriously, keep acting obtusely naive, it adds to your credibility. We will see what they are doing.

 

time to take those nasty Confederate statues down

 

How should I know if they follow the tenants of Nazism, but no noted conservative on this site has condemned the action, but has made excuses for it.

 

Yes. Most people are totally ignorant of Lincoln's real views.
When the Hard Left find out, he will go on the hit list.
I joke about the OathKeepers having to defend that wonderful, moving statue of him in Washington, but what will actually happen is a rewriting of the history books in various ways to give some little Politically Correct indoctrination, along with a general deprecation of the man.

 

Yup. imo they should have been expelled in a mass expulsion. There's no free speech in California so they should have done it. There's just some things not joked about. National German Zocialism is one of them.

Pis poor sloppy salutes btw.

 

No! Time to teach kids the truth about the nasty Vietnam war protesters.

 

No, we have simply avoided jumping to conclusions about what was really going on based on a few seconds of very badly shot video.
If they were really living and promoting Naziism of course we condemn it. But that video could have been anything.

 

What do you think is happening?

And why?

 

Rioting whites burnt down a Negro orphanage in New York City.

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It is unlikely in the extreme that your typical Union infantryman was a high-minded abolitionist. Probably he had rather illiberal attitudes on all social issues, by our standards. But he was on the side of the angels. Slavery had to be destroyed by force -- the Slavocracy could have negotiated a buy-out and carried on with paid labor, but powerful ruling classes seldom do the smart thing.

A good novel to read on this -- I recommend it very highly, to everyone -- is Michael Shaara's The Killer Angels. It's brilliant -- you get a feel for the thinking of the men of both sides, including the ranks of the Union Army. And you learn about one of America's truly great military heroes, a college professor-turned-soldier, Joseph Chamberlain. They made a movie out of the book, which, along with Glory, the story of the 54th Massachusetts Coloured Infantry, should be seen by every teenager. And the ones who can read, if there are any, should definitely read the book.

 

Could those kids be learning to hate Jews based on the messages they are getting in the popular lib media?

 

I am in no way suggesting that the Union was not on the right side, not at all. Ending slavery was a good thing. Just pointing out that it wasn't heros vs demons, and that heros on all sides are worth remembering.
Hell villains need to be remembered too but in different ways.

 

Yes, I absolutely agree.
There is almost as much humbug generated around patriotism and war heroes as there is around consensual teenage sex with older people.

The reality is that most wars are fought by frightened teenage conscripts. But of course we don't like to think about that, and we take the best examples and honor them as exemplars that we all should emulate .. and so we should.

 

Some of the most heroic chivalrous people in ww2 were Germans and you have to go way out of your way to learn about them.

An example everyone should learn about:
Hans-Joachim Walter Rudolf Siegfried Marseille.

 

I watched the video a half-dozen times and never could figure out what the song was, or if anybody was actually singing a song.

 

Why are there so many extremist in Cali? Every time I turn around there is some sort of horrible crime, or racist event there......