Camp Romeny Gets Around To Blaming Chris Christie For Their Loss

To each his own. Bill BJ Clinton like young, fat women. And you like older very fat men.

 

This made me smile. I suspect you are a utopian socialist who dismisses the actual ugliness of socialism's results. In fact you seem to have a very youthful understanding of that very old, discredited political, economic, social philosophy.

 

See what I mean?

You conflate the willing exchange between two private parties as being the same as a government seizing things from one person to give to another. It is clear that you have a profound inability to think through your positions. You are not serious as you do not even understand something so simple as the differences between a willing exchange of one thing for another with a government seizure.

You are not a serious thinker. And you do not even know it.

 

Obama has used the very successful FDR formula of appearing to help his base while actually following policies that prolonged their misery and keeping their hands out.

FDR was never identified as a socialist but he clearly was doing what socialists do. Maybe it is time for an honest reappraisal. The very bad things FDR did continue to have their bad impacts even today.

 

This is another indication of your lack of thinking. Everyone, even a radical Marxist requires funds. So the Marxist takes legitimate dollars, seized from his political enemies, the wealth creators, and transfers them to his campaign contributors who become fabulously wealthy. They, in turn, laundering the money given to them offer large campaign contributions to the Marxist and his Party.

It is pretty slick actually. he defunds his political enemies, enriches his friends, receives campaign contributions, all while convincing people who are unable to connect the dots that he is something he is not.

 

America lost. It is very likely that America will not be able to stop Obama for four more years. If so we are over.

I am beginning to consider what will come after and how I can position myself to thrive despite the coming darkness of a socialist America.

 

you realize thomas jefferson supported the collection of taxes from citizens, right?

 

Therefor what? Given your understanding of the early years of the Republic what was the tax rate under Jefferson? What is it today? Were the taxes intended to fund Constitutional requirements or extra-constitutional needs such as we see today? While we are at it what was the level of federal regulations then as compared to today?

 

Again, not inherently Marxist/communist/socialist. Capitalism promotes class warfare too. Republicans fight class war just as much as Democrats.

Strike one!

Again, not inherently M/C/S, capitalism favors it too.

Strike deux!

Which is inherent in every economic system, including capitalism. You can't have economics without wealth redistribution.

Strike drei! Yer outta here!

 

Libertarian socialist, actually, not utopian. I reject utopian ideals like communism and free market capitalism.

 

Thanks for that clear example of your lack of seriousness.

 

Except I said absolutely none of that. I said wealth redistribution is inherent in every economic system. I said nothing about the difference between voluntary and involuntary redistribution, which is a totally different subject.

 

You're welcome to prove it wrong.

I'll wait.

 

Any form of socialist tend to move in the direction of the utopian. Your particular strain included.

Why do you believe that people being able to make up their minds on what they will do is utopian? Utopias always require the masterminds who will choose, decide, and act for the good of the people. When you get to choose for you and I get to choose for me where is the mastermind? Where is the utopia?

 

No seriousness. Sad. Really.

 

therefore jefferson supported redistribution

 

See what I mean? You lack seriousness. When you get caught you shuffle and tap dance. You began with an equivalence argument.

 

Mine is only utopian in that it requires government to allow people to form their own autonomous (but still loyal) communities. Government may never do that because it loves power too much.

But the rest is not only feasible, but has been done before and is still done in various forms today.

Stop redefining words. "Utopia" is "a place of ideal perfection especially in laws, government, and social conditions" (Merriam Webster). The utopia is free market capitalism, not free choice (but free choice itself, to an extent, can also be a utopian ideal).

 

I'm not shuffling and tap dancing, I'm telling you your reading comprehension sucks.

 

OK forget Romney.

Whenever I see some fat ******** hugging my enemy I am not going to vote for him.

 

There are still many Americans who are not rich, do not expect government to give them free stuff and did not vote for Obama.

But if you are poor and want government to make your bed a little softer then Obama is your guy.

 

I do not know how to even begin arguing with someone who believes this.

Maybe if you could give me some evidence that Jefferson intended to take from one group of people in order to give to others, his supporters, we would have a starting point. I have read about a third of Jefferson's collected writings. I read a great deal of the correspondence between he and Madison. I cannot recall seeing even a single instance where redistribution of the wealth created by the citizens was even mentioned, much less discussed.

But I am willing to entertain your argument if you will give me a starting point.

 

Earlier I wrote, "Any form of socialist tend to move in the direction of the utopian. Your particular strain included."

Help me to understand your argument. Are you saying, on the one hand that your beliefs are only a little utopian? You still believe that you deciding for both you and me is preferable to you deciding for you and me deciding for me? That is free market capitalism.

Utopia requires masterminds to develop and force that perfection of laws, governments and social conditions, does it not?

I believe it is you, once again, who has not thought through your position.

How can it be possible that each of us deciding for ourselves what we will do and how we shall live is utopian? Where is the mastermind who is coercing us into that place of ideal perfection?

 

Earlier I wrote, "See what I mean? You lack seriousness. When you get caught you shuffle and tap dance. You began with an equivalence argument."

You did. And you don't even know it. Under free market capitalism when you choose for you and I choose for me we are both better off. Capitalism does not redistribute wealth. It creates more wealth for each of us in our voluntary exchanges. We are both better off.

Under socialist wealth redistribution schemes there is a third party, the government, who uses its coercive powers to take from one to enrich the other two parties, the government and the government's minion.

These two things are not even close to being the same.

 

jefferson supported taxation

are you saying taxation isn't a redistribution?