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  1. TomFitz

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    “Rudeness and insults are the weak person’s imitation of strength”

    Works that describe Donald Trump so well!
     
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    I can relate to having the nature of my intelligence separating me from the majority of people- and for quite a while, thinking that was their problem. It took me a number of years to learn how to be both smart and respectful of the different kind of smart that most people had, and I lacked. I learned how to bridge the gap, by then in my 30's, and find the best of both worlds. I changed me and how I thought. Once I did that, everything changed. I lost nothing, I gained more than I thought possible,. Anyone could. Few will.
     
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    Sorry, you missed again.
    Calling things correctly, even if it requires harsh terms- does not qualify as weakness. Undiplomatic, yes.
     
  4. TomFitz

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    I hit the mark right on, and you know it.

    You’re trying to tell me that this pathetic serial pathological liar calls things correctly???????

    Well, if you mean he speaks Archie Bunker to Archie Bunkers.......
     
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    I think your complaint is he isn't perfect. It is of course necessary to resort use every possible straw to generate complaints, no matter how irrelevant to the accomplishments, because of personal animus and bias. He wasn't supposed to win. HRC probably came close to a mental breakdown at the moment, and followers have been going to therapists, taking drugs to deal with the emotional shock and basically continuing to whine like small spoiled children being denied a sucker. How else can you offset the things accomplished, for one the best economy in decades?
    You are the kind of guy who would fire the only doctor who could save your life because you didn't like his bedside manner.

    Trump won. The bitch on wheels lost. The people made that decision, and they are going to do it again. Deal with it.
     
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    yes some Trump supporters and Hillary supporters have gotten TDS from Trump
     
  7. spiritgide

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    Only the opposition has a derangement issue. And- it may be because of what they fear from Trump, but it's not because of Trump.
     
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    many Trump supporters have TDS, Trump does that to people
     
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    In quite dramatic fashion this belies your narrative. Is not Hillary, here just a distraction, a misdirection due to the fact that Trump has turned out to be less than desirable? But no, you can't face that, so you switch to throwing insults, blaming others. Not exactly a trait of the character you are pretending to be.

    What exactly are those great successes of Trump? You do know that he inherited $413,000,000 from his father. In business, he lost more than a billion dollars, much of it other people's money. He was unable to write his own book, so he hired someone else to do it. He welcomed help from Russia, in its interference in our election, and has since been covering up that fact. As president he has done little more than pander to his base and throw out insults at everyone else. On the international stage, he has alienated our closest allies while snuggling up to dictators like Putin and Kim, even defending their misbehavior.

    About that wonderful economy. With your business acumen I'm sure you follow the financials. At the time Donald Trump became president, did we not have the best economy we ever had? Was not unemployment for minorities at an all time low? Was not the Dow at an all time high, having tripled under Obama, after having been in a free fall at the end of Bush's presidency? And did not all those wonderful upward economic trends, begun under Obama, continue unabated into Trump's presidency? And then at the end of 2017, congressional Republicans passed their tax cuts and Trump proudly signed the legislation. And have the stock markets not been mostly stagnant ever since? Have not those tax cuts necessitated the US adding a trillion dollars to the debt? Are not the number of homeless on the rise? You should look in the ag news. Trump's policies aren't doing a lot of good in farm country. And what about those wild tariffs? Almost as insane as the invading caravan of really bad people.

    I can see why you want to say, "look over there." Why you want to pretend that the opposition is other that who they are.
     
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    So, you have no comprehension of the term you are discussing. Nothing new about that.
     
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    Thought for a while there that you might have better vision than what first appeared. Turns out I was wrong about that, my original assessment seems accurate.
    If you are highly educated- not indoctrinated, programmed- you would be able to do your research in perspective rather than selectively to support a conclusion you chose to reach in advance.

    Yes, Trump inherited money- how much is in question, because the estate went to all his fathers children not just Trump Six, I think it was. Surprising how few people know that, or perhaps can't divide by six.

    However, all inheritance does is provide a seed. Whether it grows or dwindles depends not on the amount but on the person who receives it. The size of that seed doesn't matter either. For example, well over 50% of lottery winners go bankrupt within 5 years. If you are not a good financial manager, you will lose whatever you inherit. If you are good and don't inherit, you start with what you have- a smaller seed- and still grow the wealth. Elon Musk borrowed $26K from family to start his first venture. Buffet talked family into funding his first small stock purchase.

    Yes, Trump lost a lot of money. He's also made a lot of money. When you play in the bigger games, both your losses and wins are larger. That is a matter of scale. One of the largest losses and bankruptcies came from his Atlantic City casino. However, that entire market area collapsed; many casinos went under due to the loss in traffic. That contributed substantially to the Trump Casino issue too.
    Yes, Trump has had 6 bankruptcies. He also has around 600 business entities, so the rate of his business failures is 1%. Statistically 50% of new businesses fail in 5 years, 90% within 10 years. My first business failed at five- and I call it education. The next 6 did well. The one I'm thinking of starting this summer will too.

    Nobody is perfect, and in business- you have to know how to be tough when it's needed. I own a substantial number of shares in BRK, Warren Buffet's company and go to the convention each May. He is a wonderful guy- but few know that unlike the kind public image we see, that when things are done wrong in his organization he changes. As he puts it himself, and I have personally heard him say- "I will be ruthless". He has to be; keeping something that large operating smoothly demands it. But, he doesn't give the general public a view of that side at all. Smart guy.

    Feel free to hate Trump. What you believe does not impact what I know or believe about Trump. It does not impact what I know about me. It does impact what I believe about you. I don't give anyone cred for agreeing with me- but for being accurate and balanced in what they say. Those who tell half the story; all the positive or all the negative to influence others- I consider as manipulating liars. Each of us chooses to be what we want- but few can see themselves honestly. If we all could, we would be a far better people and society. That is the choice all of us make, nobody else is responsible for who we choose to be.
     
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    You label Alliance Defending Freedom a hate group

    But your link for proof takes us to a leftwing hate group rather than the conservative group itself
     
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    many Trump supporters have TDS, Trump does that to people <-- that is a fact
     
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    IF Trump did that to people, it would affect all people. However, it only affects people predisposed to anger over their candidate losing the election- so it is THEIR reaction to the event, not something imposed on them by the winner. Small children often throw tantrums and become irrational too when they don't get their way- but that is hardly anything other than their own fault. Lack of control of yourself is not something that happens without your direct choice to allow it.
     
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    Hook, line, and sinker. And to think that I am being accused of being indoctrinated. I have never been able to understand hero worship. It makes no sense to me. Cult of personality. Isn't that what this is? :worship:

    You do know that Trump is a little on the slow side, struggles to read. Don't you? He was essentially hired to tell the base what they already believed. As long as he stays on message, the base will stick by his side. What he says on a daily basis, what he says in his stump speeches is little different from the typical rhetoric that circulates in conservative circles. That has been circulating in conservative circles for yeas. He has been watching the same programming on FOX News. It isn't that he gets you, he is one of you.

    Lately, my curiosity has taken me into geographical DNA mapping. Recently I stumbled upon a website that charted IQ by historical accomplishments. Even though they didn't mention religion, at the time that most holy books were written the average IQ was around 80, by today's standards. A person with an IQ of 100 would have been considered quite intelligent. It may explain the writing style of most ancient texts, their brevity, and sometimes confused thinking. The Hellenistic writings that have most survived, are scientific, mathematical, and philosophical writings. Most are rather tortured, trying to find the language to describe what is being described.

    It wasn't until nutrition and hygiene became known that abstract thought began to become widespread. And with that explosion of abstract thought, came the understanding of nature that allowed the technology to flourish that has made modernity possible. A strange thing happened with that explosion of abstract thought. A disbelief in a god, that led to turning the world upside down. The philosophical movement, of which Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson were prominent members of, that led to the formation of the United States, wanted a society free from religious interference. Going further into the weeds, the notion keeps popping, like pop corn kernels in a hot pan. How could it not be? And sure enough, the data shows it time and time again, the higher one's IQ, the more educated one is, the less likely one is to believe in a god.

    Of course the right wing (those who think the wealthy should get all the power and perks) has discovered this divide and exploited it. And thus we find our current political situation. On one side is the rhetoric leading around people who think the old way. On the other are those, who see through through it all, those who have evolved.
     
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    Surely, you are smarter than to believe the things you just wrote.

    Trump support had nothing to do with hero worship or cults. It has to do with taking care of business, of working to keep the promises that got you elected. As for being slow- ask his competitors. Ask Hillary, she certainly knows that he out-witted her without her even realizing she was being had- and buddy, that ain't slow.... Or "is not slow", just in case you think grammar and IQ are directly connected.

    If Trump waffled on his promises- conservatives would be on him quick. Unlike the dems, we remember the objective and it's not the candidate, it's the country and the pledges a candidate makes. It's also a matter of making the best choice, and without question- Trump was a vastly better choice than the alternative.

    As for how IQ enters into any of this, you might consider that those people from the past- ordinary people, not the ones history noted- did more in the way of what was then technical achievements with far less than we have today- and the clear point of that is they were a lot smarter than you may think you are. They had vision before there was instructions on how to do things. They invented the first tools. Hell, take a look at an old firearm or sword, and you see workmanship combined with knowledge that we can't match today, even with all our science and technology. We still have no one that knows how the Katana Samurai sword makers, who produced their own steel and the methods of working it, were able to make such a sophisticated product. History is full of people who did more with less- but today, we are failing- getting dumber, if you will in terms of functional skills. The craftsmen who made the old flintlock rifles literally made their own screws. Do you think you could figure out how to do that with 18th century tools? I have an old double-barrel shotgun from the 1800's, fully engraved and inlaid- and the joints are so perfect you can't put a 1/1000 inch shim in the spaces. No CNC, no micrometers or calipers- but more precise than much of what is made to day with high end sophisticated machinery. Damn smart people, in both vision and skill.

    As far as religion, how the hell did that come up? Do you assume all republicans or conservatives are religious? Wrong.
    I'm not. I do totally believe in a higher power- which I call mother nature. A damn good teacher that doesn't care if I survive or not, but teaches how life works; the ultimate "college". Class is open 24/7. Everybody is there.... but most aren't even aware of it. I pay attention- it helps me understand how people that don't listen get so screwed up and lost, in spite of their "intelligence".

    Learning never ends, until you decide you know everything. Once you get to that point, you're screwed and it's all downhill.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't student loans handled by the government?

    I mean if Yale would like to privately fund loans and not take tax dollars, they could do what they'd like.
     
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    How come you keep sounding like a motivational speaker. Do you listen to a lot of recordings? One of the techniques they use is to pick a subject that few people know about, so that they can appear to have a certain level of expertise.

    I have a rather expansive machine shop where I make shinny objects for art connoisseurs. It began as a hobby, more or less, and became profitable. I began with hand held electrical tools, a drill, a router, a circular saw, and a jig saw. Plus some planes and chisels that I got when my great grandpa died.

    It grew as my career as a design engineer advanced. Mostly because I started to make my own prototypes. As the complexity of my designs increased, I had to continually increase the quality of my machines, which eventually led the use of microprocessors and stepper motors. Which I was also using in my design work.

    I do cut dovetails by hand, because dovetail machines don't make the strongest joints. People are always impressed, even though with a little practice, they are quite easy. Still, my machines can make much more accurate shapes and in much less time than is possible by hand. I've been experimenting with 3D printers, but the objects tend to not be very strong.

    When I was a kid, I had a .22 rifle that my dad gave me. He had worked in a machine shop and one of his co-workers had made the it. It was heavy but extremely accurate. I won several tournaments with it. It was the fact that it is one of a kind that made it so accurate. Starting with Colt, most guns are now built with replaceable parts. What this means is there is necessarily a little slop. A factory gun will always be a bit more loose than a custom gun, provided the craftsman is of sufficient skill.
     
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    I've been designing and building prototypes for many years. Once was doing them for a Coleman company engineer who had seen some of my things and asked me if I could make him one. Knowing Coleman would have it's own R&D and proto shop, I asked why me? He said if I give it to our in-house system, I will have the proof of concept version in a year. I want it in three weeks. He gave me design descriptions and sketches on a legal pad- I cad designed the products and made prototypes to match. Concepts, and eventually production protos, built by hand.

    Our first homemade rifle is heavy too- 32 lbs. Long-range target. Single shot. .50 BMG, only factory part is a military surplus barrel and a commercial trigger. Gunsmithing is a hobby, not a business. Have 6 rifles in the works now, probably never get them all done because so many other ideas are in the works too. Now that may be a problem derived from intelligence, in that ideas pop up endlessly. I'm not the only guy who sleeps with a notepad on the end-table to write down ideas that keep you awake to get them out of your head so you can sleep. That might even describe you.

    A motivational speaker? In a way. I like to help people find what they have, instead of insulting them. Of course, many don't give you that chance or aren't interested in exploring their own abilities. The more a person needs that direction, the more they resent it being brought up. Avoiding it insures that they won't have to come to terms with what they prefer not to see; insures they won't have to change anything. Force of habit I guess- to suggest a look at reality without the prejudice. The hope is that at some time in the future when or if they decide to embrace change, they will already know where to start. If they don't die first. Most will. Think on it. If you help someone else get stronger, you have improved the same world you live in. It's "pay it forward" in a sense. If that is motivational speaker stuff, I suppose I'm guilty.
     

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