Can an a Christian God exist?

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  1. Etbauer

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    I'll hit the high points here:

    The math is- if god exists and is all powerful, and all knowing, and evil exists, then god has to be at least as evil as the most evil thing that exists (also at least as good as the best thing).

    I'm not going to get deep into the odds of things other than to say that the odds of a handful of constants in physics being finely tuned is far more likely than an entire consciousness spontaneously spawning into existence.

    The main problem is that 'evil' doesn't have to exist at all. If there is a "problem of evil" than it was put there by god for no reason. A god would have to do nothing it didn't want to do. Furthermore, nothing should surprise him so this 'rebellion' had to have been planned by him, along with all suffering etc.
     
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    That's rather the stupid logic from humans.

    God's target is an eternity we called Heaven. Heaven is more like an aquarium, Earth is its filter. A filter is supposed to be "full of evil" in order to secure a clean aquarium.

    In a nutshell, Earth is for all evil to show up under open witnessing and to be removed openly once and for all, such that a clean eternity is secured.

    Simple as that! Yet humans.....they suck.
     
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    Why is there any evil on earth or anywhere? Why do humans suck? Who made us that way? Who made evil?
     
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    Isn't that your own choice if you decide to kill someone. That's a result of freewill. Freewill signifies division. God's job is identify this then separation humans by the division such that a heaven is possible at all. Everyone is entitled to the right to live in heaven as everyone is invited. But since you made a choice with consent to sin without repentance, you thus won't be there. That's why few are chosen. "Chosen" is a way of describing under God's absolute sovereignty. It means He allows you to exercise your freewill to prove yourself fit for heave or not. Then He will do His job to isolate whoever not fit.

    God's goal is to build a Heaven. It's up to you to choose to be there or not. Since you sin without repent, then so be it.

    To put it another way. What do you want under the situation? Do you want to be in heaven while choosing to sin without repenting? This is not allowed because God knows a Heaven doesn't work that way. Those who are willing to sin without repenting will finally screw it up. Or do you want God to fail in building a perfect world we call Heaven. You can't because you are incapable in stopping Him.
     
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    Why can I chose to kill and not say.. teleport? Why limit choices in this way? Why make killing possible? If I choose to kill, why do I make that choice?
    Why is that a result of free will?
    Why? Why have division? What's the point?
    Why does god have a job? Why does it need to identify? Why even make the bad ones? Why would a god need to test? Why wouldn't it know?
    Why is a god limited in what sort of heaven is possible?
    Why did I make this choice? Why create me if I was going to make this choice? I didn't ask to be created.
    Why so few? Why were we made so badly that so few of us are worthy? If it's a result of free will, why make free will that way?
    Etc... you see where this goes.
    A goal would represent a challenge, how could an all powerful being be challenged? If it is limited in some way, what higher power limits it? And if that higher power exists, why do we need a god at all? Why not worship that power? Maybe not worshiping that power is why so few are deemed worthy.

    What I or you or anyone else wants is irrelevant, whatever is is regardless of our desires.
    Who decided it isn't allowed? Who decided a heaven doesn't work that way?
    Why is it that way?
    How could a god ever fail? Why couldn't it arbitrarily do whatever it wanted? Why build a perfect world in heaven and not here?
     

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