Can Yahweh always do what he wills, or can people thwart him? Scriptures seem conflicted on the answ

Certainly as depicted by his adherents - but you see - at the time - xenophobia was thought of as a good thing - not a bad thing. It was something positive - something to strive towards - not something bad. And so God - of course being Good - is depicted as being xenophobic.

Now we think of ourselves as smarter than folks in days gone by - and is some ways we are - certainly with respect to technology. In other ways however - the average Joe back then was much smarter than average Joe today. For example - understanding interactions between people.

In Roman times - Everyone knew - including the Senators who did long orations on the topic of how to keep the poor fed - that if people don't have food - bad things happen. They knew this because they had experienced - or knew someone - or heard stories of - what happens when the poor don't get fed.

The ancient Greek Philosophers were well able to figure out that God as a xenophobe - and being "all knowing - all powerful at the same time" is a contradiction in logic.

 

well a jealous and vengeful God can be controlled via his fragile ego

 

If that were the case, there would have been more killing and less trading.

You might think that as not something bad, bu8t intelligent people back then would not agree.

As to Yahweh, the gods were in a pissing contest and the more destructive he was, was a designe to just be the badest a hole around.

The biggest dick won.

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DL

 

Satan did just that in Job 2;3.

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DL

 

It was the case - intermarriage was forbidden - the sentence for worshiping other Gods was death - and people who had other Gods were treated as lower class. This doesn't mean you go out and kill that person - but you don't let them marry your daughter.

 

Traditional marriage in the bible? God approved?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:28-29&version=NIV

 

It seems to me that even a major league prophet like Elijah is free to make an error.... run away from Queen Jezebels armies.... . go to Mt. Horeb...... and be asked by G-d in a still small voice what he is doing there?????? Twice actually!


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ah-have-altered-history-if-he-had-not.554081/

Could the prophet Elijah have altered history if he had NOT........

 

Sounds me like a another topic that boils down to predestination. A debate imo that is meaningless unless we can know the future as God knows it. God just knows what choices we will make because he already saw us make those choices as a result of existing outside of linear time. They're still our choices because we don't know whats going to happen because we exist only within linear time.

This debate of predestination may become relevent if we ever develope the ability to travel or at least percieve outside linear time. Though once we do, it should become clear pretty quick whether we can change anything or not, which will answer the question.

 

My belief is that God knows all the choices that we made in previous time lines......
but as of today, September twentieth 2020 I believe that we are making new choices... and creating an
entirely new future that has never existed quite like this before...... .much as each of our fingerprints are truly unique.

 

Was there an answer to the O.P. in there somewhere?

Regards
DL

 

Fantastic response. People often get hung up in the words rather than the intent.

 

Which is true. As a world, we always have choices. That is God given. Moses and other prophets would tell Israel or Judah to shape up or be destroyed. But, there was always an "if" or a way from being destroyed. Same with the last days as well. Time is something humans are concerned with. God doesn't live within earthly time if time at all. If the world would turn to love one another, the 2nd Coming would be delayed. Is that happening now? The U.S. seems to be the only country that can dictate war or peace and we are falling into a decay of pride and tyranny. While Trump is making peace in the middle east. It's hard to tell which way this will go.

 

Extremely well said!

Something about the Latter day Saints that really, really, really, really impresses me is that they take near death experience accounts seriously........ and in all my readings in my sixty one years I have never found a much more simple and yet brilliant explanation for how the future can be altered by our choices than what near death experiencers tell us after their brush with death.

https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03

If there is some sort of phenomena now in 2020 that is a better modern fulfillment of this promise and prediction than near death experience accounts....... I don't personally know what it is?!

John 16:25 "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

 

If even Elijah was free to make an error in the sense that he chose to go where God didn't exactly want even him to go.... then of course we all have the freedom to make choices that God did not lead us to.

A lot of people cannot imagine Elijah failing to live at anything less than one hundred percent........ but maybe when he ran away to Mt. Horeb he was only at eighty five or ninety percent obeying the will of God for his life.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1ki/19/1/s_310001


1Kings 19:9

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And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?"

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1Ki 19:13

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And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?

 

Here is what your bible says about us not having free will thanks to the genocidal prick, Yahweh.

Strange that you respect such a vile satanic character.

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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.



Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Regards
DL