Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

Apology accepted, but you were the one who butted in on the "twaddle" comment, for reasons unknown to me. It wasn't addressed to you or even at you.

 

I merely commented on the irony of accusing someone else of posting pointless diatribe by posting pointless diatribe...I had mistaken you for Herewegoagain....my mistake.

 

Quite all right, it happens to the best of us. You really had me confused for a minute there.

 

While you might have mistaken the identity you nailed the trollish behavior.

 

Well, there are certain Christian quotes that a liberal would have problems accepting. Here are some

"For I was hungry and you took away my food stamps, I was a stranger and you deported me, I was sick and you took healthcare coverage from me, I was in prison and you gave me the death penalty’"

"Blessed are those who are rich, for yours is the kingdom of God. "

"If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, do me a favor: turn to them and beat the crap out of them, will you!"

"Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; So separate them from their family!"

"Love thy neighbor, unless thy neighbor comes from Canada or Mexico, or if they're black, or if they're Hispanic, or if they are Muslim, or if they're gay, or if they're...."

"Thou shalt not kill except by lethal injection, or in exercising your 2nd Amendment Rights"

"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. But on;ly if he is well connected and famous, so his pardon can be used politically."

"Let the children come to Me; unless they were abused by a Republican candidate for Senator".

A liberal would never accept any of these new "Christian values" that you promote.

 

Dayum...I guess what these new "Conservatives" (cough) say is true.......I AM A LIBERAL.

 

Poor snowflake...she can dish it out but she can't take it...

 

Try me.

 

"Therefore whatever you desire for men to do to you, you
shall also do to them; for this is the law and the prophets."

You can only be a liberal and a christian if you think it's okay for other people to take your property or enslave you. If they can do to you what you want to do to others.

 

I wasn't talking about you.

 

It would seem that one who believed in Jesus would leave deciding who was a "Christian" up to Jesus.
Because humans are capable of making everything "political", it is possible to take Jesus' words and try to imply an ideology by our contemporary interpretation. It is not clear what this accomplishes.
Not everyone who finds the words and teachings of Jesus interesting would call themselves Christian. Looked at in this relatively objective way, it is clear that transcendence rather than dogma was the intention of this teacher who called himself the Son of Man. He stated clearly that belief could change anything. That is a total abandonment of materialism. Materialism is the basis of capitalism, socialism, Marxism and the active part of most religions. The earliest communities that gathered to live a life following Jesus' words put all their resources in common. This was not done out of ideology, but out of love for each other and the group.
The only thing we can generalize from this might be that any system people believe in will work.

 

Then refute what I posted. Show from the Koran what an apostate is and how an apostate should be treated? Go ahead and post from the koran. Put up or shut up.

 

I read where they are supposed to be killed. Mohammed said so? Or was it Allah through his prophet, last prophet, the total human authority, that told them to do that?

Or is this just made up and nothing of the sort appears in the Koran or the other holy writings that they adhere to?

For indeed the fact of the matter has great relevance.

 

Koran 4:89, 2:217. Search the subject on the internet, the issue is well presented. Read the articles that claim the Koran does not endorse the murdering of apostates, then read the counter argument. The muslims who claim there is no killing of apostates are clearly trying to make islam look more modern than it is.

 

You cant serve 2 masters, so embracing Republican doctrine or any political ideology does the same.

Who are you to say if a person attends church once or a few times a year isnt a Christian. Look how many conservatives attend service weekly and live the opposite...

Lets see Jesus rejected greed, violence, the glorification of power, the
amassing of wealth without social balance, and the personal
judging of others, their lifestyles and beliefs.

Over and over again, He taught us to believe in and live a spiritual
and ethical life.
Love, compassion, tolerance, and a strong
belief in the importance in giving and of generosity to those in need. I really see those on the liberal side live these principles.
Not saying conservatives dont, I just see the action more in liberals.

 

Help is the question, the extent of help is.

Liberals see a quote about helping the poor and take that to mean that we should provide all they help they ever need, that's not what Jesus taught.

Jesus meant help in the short term until someone can provide for themselves.

Need help for a few months then fine, that is biblical, once it hits around 10 years I think we can agree its getting ridiculous.

 

Did Jesus say that we should steal other people's stuff and dole it out to help others?

 

Exactly.

So, why would you bring that up?

 

Cite the chapter, please.

Show me where after some number of years, it's fine to let them die.

 

Nobody advocates that we should "steal other people's stuff".

Nobody.

 

Sure thing, just as soon as you cite the chapter that says we must support them indefinitely.

 

Nobody advocates taxing their neighbor? Seriously?

 

It's you who proposed this limit exists.

Now, you're refusing to support your claim.

My evidence is the Bible, where no such limit is described.

 

NO civilization on earth has ever existed where there was no required contribution of the members toward the costs of the civilization as a whole.

Claiming that is theft is an extreme form of opposition to civilization - total anarchy.

I have NO INTEREST IN ANARCHY. It's absolutely NOT acceptable.

 

Fair enough.

I will say that there is a theme in the bible however, one that has made its way into societies all across the world.

God helps those who help themselves.

If you are asking for proof of Jesus or God putting on time limits I can't give that to you because it doesn't exist.

If that is your goal here then you clearly win.

Perhaps I could be allowed to restate my point.