Can you be spiritual without being religious?

Huh?

Free thinking esoteric ecumenists bonded? Bondage to who/what?

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DL

 

I used the biblical term "bondage" as meant in the bible.

 

Most definitions do not include anything supernatural.

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DL

 

People are not inanimate objects and to deny a person the right to love is quite vile and immoral.

"Are you suggesting that God the Father should have been sacrificed upon the cross, rather than His son?"

Yes.

Would you step up to your own demands or would you volunteer your child?

Do you think fathers should bury sons or that sons should bury fathers.

Natural law says the latter and God is quite the prick if he cannot follow natural and moral law.

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DL

 

That's what I said, spirits and/or supernatural beings guiding and looking over us and answering our request etc etc.

Now as I said does one have to have spirituality or religious faith to be moral and ethical? Of course not.

 

Well what do you call gods and goddess and angels?

 

Understood, and I repeat, bonded to who or what?

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DL

 

I call gods and goddess and angels, gods and goddess and angels, and class them as supernatural and thus imaginary characters.

They have nothing to do with spirituality. Go look up the various definitions.

Spirituality is more of a way of thinking in the most moral and benevolent way and does not have anything to do with supernatural imaginary entities.

Only religious faith will cause a mind to go into the dysfunctional beliefs of such entities.

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DL

 

Maya.

The world of the mind of the natural man.

 

I will take that as a positive. I hope that is the way you meant it. You are hard to follow sometimes. So am I sometimes and I note that you get as frustrated as I do on occasion.

This following explains why I see it as positive.

Gnostic Jesus was questioned as to what sees the vision?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/mary.html

The Saviour answered and said, 'He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind which [is] between the two - that is [what] sees the vision...'

For where the mind is, there is the treasure.

Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The treasure is in you and all you know enters you through your mind and consciousness.

I am my mind and consciousness and am pleased to be bonded to it, while still being able to have it go and touch the cosmic consciousness that is near us.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

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DL

 

I'm making it personal because I'm trying to figure out your belief system. Its probably just easier if you tell me!

 

Our esoteric ecumenist friend is a wealth of information on and various teachings but has not chosen to call himself by the best belief system that he has found. He is like a guru without a religion.

If he ever reaches theosis or apotheosis, he would become better at expressing himself.

At present, I do not think he wants to call or label himself anything.

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DL

 

To take your second point first:

The Father did not appear on Earth, in human form. So it would have been quite impossible for Him to have been nailed to the cross. (Jesus prayed to the Father that, if it were at all possible, He should not be required to endure such a death; but His prayer was not answered the way that He would have preferred.)

Oh, by the way: on Earth, a father is older than his son; therefore, of course, a father normally hopes that his son will outlive him. But that is not the case here, as both Jesus and the Father have existed eternally...

As to the other point, you might be onto something, if--and this is a really huge "if"--it could be demonstrated that some men simply cannot love women, and that some women simply cannot love men, in a romantic way. In other words, that they are "hard-wired" to be homosexual.

Please attempt to demonstrate that, if you truly wish to carry your point.

Otherwise, I will have to assume that homosexuality is a choice (just as much as, say, the selection of oranges over grapefruit is a choice)...

 

I believe I told you, or maybe it was "Greatest I Am", that mystics see the same message in the real Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, and other ancient religions.

 

Either could have come down. Right?

Jesus was praying to himself then. I and the Father are one is often quoted.The Trinity garbage screws up a lot of things.

Irrelevant as we get from our minds a human picture of a father and a son when those terms are used.

So I would have to prove that you discriminate unjustly while you do not have to prove that you discriminate justly.

Typical and immoral reverse onus. You show a definite Christian morality. Immorality that is.

If it is a choice, who are you to tell gays that they are not allowed to follow their choice when you are following yours?

If you think it a choice, tell us why you chose differently and what attracted you to the gay choice you rejected?

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DL

 

Real Christianity? What does that mean? Which of the plethora of Christianities is the real one?

You have named some supernatural and fantasy based religions as well as some non-supernatural and human based religions.

How can they have the same message when they are so far apart in thinking?

What is that message?

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DL

 

You seem like a typical sophomore atheist: You reject the very basis of Christianity, so there is no convincing you otherwise.

As the old saying goes: "He who is convinced against his will/ Is of the same opinion still."

How, exactly, do you derive "discriminat[ion]" from the belief that homosexuality is immoral?

My "choice" is exactly what nature intended. (Just how do you suppose that humankind would reproduce, through homosexuality? And how do you imagine that two penises--or two vaginas--would fit together, as one penis and one vagina do?)

 

Where?

 

A mystic sees the real, esoteric message hidden in the words of the bible. A religionists reads the bible as a report of historical facts, like an attorney reads his legal abstracts.

Every religion embellishes their supporting stories with fantasies and myths. In Christianity an example would be the mythical fantasy of a garden in which is found a talking reptile and an apple that imparts knowledge. In Hinduism it is a story about a war and a god for every human emotion. In Buddhism it's Siddhartha Gautama being born from the wound in his mother's right side. Actually, a myth of an "immaculate conception" seems to be very common among the religions.

The message is that by turning from worldly things and concerns, one can discover his True Identity within and his oneness with all that is. The literal view of Christianity has rather thoroughly concealed and even rejected the possibility of this message being found in the bible, however. Yet, there it is.

 

The orientation or the act of homosexual sex is a choice?

 

I think he is referring to I Corinthians 13:11. But this is clearly taken out of context. (The speaker, Paul, was converted to Christianity, while on the road to Damascus. So it was surely not Christianity itself that he intended to target as being one of those "childish things.")

 

The performance of that act is a choice.

And I really do not believe that homosexuality is an "orientation," but a choice.

 

You seem like a typical sophomore theist: You reject the very basis of justice for all humanity, so there is no convincing you otherwise.

To discriminate without a just cause against 3% of the over reproducing population, because they do not reproduce and add to our burden, shows just how brain dead you are.

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DL

 

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Consider what the following says of perfecting wisdom.


Hebrews 6 King James Version; 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Those issues, including faith in God as fantasies of children.

What do you think it means when the scribes ask us to put away the things of children if not the supernatural and fantasy thinking of children?

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DL

 

Why elevate what the scribes say to some exalted status. Who gives a rats A what they say?