Careful! They are coming for your freedom and next your life!

Huh? I was information-seeking about your theory, crank.

Obviously your theory is in philosophical abstraction mode i.e a sketch that is not ready to be tested experientially (with real life people and companies).

 

Want to tell me what you think motivates modern Western politics? Since you appear to be saying it isn't money/power.

 

LOL!!!!


Wow

MAGA has truly gone off the deep end.

 

Huh?

You've been dropping around this theory in almost every post that you can. ["The 'rulers' are the elite who control the global Left."]

I was simply seeing how far you've thought it through or are prepared to talk about it other than in philosophical terms and generalities.

 

Okay, I can see that you've not spent any time thinking about this.

Ask yourself the following questions .... in WHOSE interests is it, to have a disempowered working and middle class? In whose interests is it create a dependent underclass - compelled to spend their lives paying for everything they do - from rents, to every last morsel of food? In whose interests is it to create a prejudice against private property? In whose interests is it to foster a turning away from the structures of power at the ground level - family/community/obligation/social responsibility/stability, etc?

Because the answer to all of these is all you need, to know there's nothing altruistic going on.

 

Crank, I don't need a lecture in how to philosophize or muse. You seem to do that quite well and I commend you. Not everybody is good at everything.

I was simply wondering if you had taken your (nice and interesting) theory, created a research question and/or a testable model. Apparently not. Thinking about something is one thing and putting it out there and testing it is another.

If you had thoroughly mapped out your theory past musings into something evidence-based you might have something to teach me. But you have not.

 

It seems that some people are good at a critique but not so much a factual rebuttal.

Hell tell the truth and shame the devil sometimes that includes me as well!

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/QFClxqMZXvU?feature=share

Australia be like

 

Look, Melbs .. this is a fun bit of banter, but you know that I know that you know that asking yourself those questions is overdue.

If you want to know the goal, look at the outcome. Look at what's actually happening to the working and middle classes.

A disempowered populace is NOT in the interests of the common man, obviousy. No common man's life is improved by the loss of his access to power, especially when it's replaced by lifetime dependence upon consumption.

 

We've discussed nothing.

Nothing wrong with your musing. It's just if you flood every conversation and post with it but can't talk about any of the details then I don't know what to do with it. What are some real life examples? E.g. Exxon funding Heartland. Got an equivalent for the left? Let me help..Big Pharma and Covid Vaccines slipping cash to X?

At the moment it's just slippery conspiratorial stuff. Actually, boring waffle with an invitation to engage only in further waffle. Your thesis is stuck in B-Grade Arts essay from the 60s mode. I'm not kidding, it's like one of the essays that my mother wrote it 60s. The disempowered populous and the proletariat and all that.

I was thinking you've been pontificating this stuff in the hope that you might provoke some kind of meaningful discussion about it. Clearly I'm dead wrong.

 

Tell us about aussie J school.

 

FatBack said: ↑

My post was a direct response to Crank's explanation that the left interfere with community and family. I have highlighted his repetition of this idea.
Once again I challenge it. The Left has always championed these things...sharing, charity, kibbutzim communes, inclusion and working for the community.
The right is proud of its basic tenet of "every man for himself", "if you need help it is your fault", "don't rely on state charity", "pay less taxes because then YOU individually can make better progress".
These are not Community. They are not "family" in its wider sense. They are not "stability". They are directly responsible for singular, self centered primary concerns.
Now Crank may say "we believe in these things but hang together in small family units. We work together like a tribe and we work together. But this is also insular. The left would say we are not a series of small cells divorced from other small cells and all competing for dominance. The left tends to think in a more universal way where everyone of any "family" respects and works universally with others for the GREATER GOOD.
Examples...NATO, the UNITED NATIONS, the WORLD TRADE ORGANISATION, any charity you can name...
Issues today are above "traditional family" and by working together, the left provides far MORE global (and personal) stability than confining progress to only one interest.

 

Crank wrote:

IMO you are absolutely correct.
That is what minorities have come to realise a long time ago and still fight for, and why trade unions are essential in the workplace.
all, I might add, called "leftist" by the right.

 

Careful! They are coming for your freedom and next your life!

This is AbsaByGodLutely correct; but for none of the reasons and not in the way the OP suggests.

Something I posted from another thread, but applies to this one:

The wealthy have, all my nearly 71 years, been working toward an Autocracy they control. Their vision, IMHO, has been to slowly replace Government By the PEOPLE, with an Oligarchic Autocracy that appears to be the tricameral government we everyday Americans were taught to love. But, is headed by a puppet that's in their pocket and a paid for Congress to support him/her. And they were doing it in a way we wouldn't have even noticed. One day we would have woke up and realized Government BY the People was ... gone.

What tRump did, as much as they despise him, is show just how close they are to their goal. That is why, guys like Lyndsey Graham and Kevin McCarthy did their head spinning flip-flop from vociferously denouncing tRump and "HIS" January 6th insurrection to obfuscating and denying that January 6th was anything to worry about at all. For a long time an awful lot of the GOP, like the two above, yes and some Democrats as well, have been sold out to the wealthy. Once they rallied their wagons, post 1/6, they realized the opportunity it presented. Benedict Donald has moved up their take-over by decades.

Now they see that as many as a third of Americans will willingly trade self-governance for slavery and actively help them achieve their goal. So their method and plan has changed. They mean to strike while the iron is hot. Using the useful idiot tRump to take over, in one fell swoop in 2024, one way or the other. Enough, they hope, Americans will go willingly like sheep to the slaughter supporting his planed Kleptocracy, HIS not theirs. Once the take over is a fate-accompli the Oligarchs may just dispose of him like the rubbish he is, or just wait for him to have that heart attack he's been working on. Once they have control any obedient place holder will serve their purpose.

WE AmeriCANs are at a crossroads where we will have Government by the People, or it will disappear from the earth to be replaced by Autocratic Slavery ... at ... our ... own ... hands. They ARE coming for your freedom, and who knows what else?

 

You misspelled Biden the puppet...
Trump is far too rogue to be a puppet.

 

Really - is that what you believe. "just too Rogue" - This Reality TV star put in the White House - to sow the seeds of division and discourd - and advance the cause.

What else do you believe dar maytee .. that Presidents are "Elected" not "Selected" ? Just trying to guess what else one need believe to believe Donnie was "Just too Rogue".. So you don't think Carrot Top was well vetted ...? == which begs the question ... do you have any idea who his handlers are ... I suppose not because he was not vetted.

Trying to identify the source of this belief - What is "Rogue" .. what Rogue thing did Trump do ? that would have riled up the "Establishment" .. or does this not exist either .. but if so, what is Da Establishment.

 

I had no idea what "aussie J school" is, so, I looked it up. Here's a wiki look at it... it's some kind of 'journalism school'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jschool

Does no one else 'get' the concept that what has changed us so very much as a society in the past ~40 years is TECHNOLOGY...?!

We make much about 'tribalism', 'family groups', 'inclusion', etc. -- but look at us, whether 'Lib' or 'Cons'... we're all rapacious consumers of the very technologies that bond us to a 'Borg-like hive-mind', and which diminish individuality, individual initiative, individual imagination, and individual action. And, at the mythical '40,000-foot-level', that is not necessarily a bad thing! But, badly managed, or tightly controlled according to the whims of some power-faction with an 'axe' to grind, it can lead to societal phenomena seen in Communist and Fascist countries.

And, NO, I'm not some 'Luddite' who hates technology -- but -- the main point I'm trying to make here is that it is our new, interwoven technologies make us need and DESIRE other people LESS than ever before! Simply put, the 'tech' has gotten to be so powerful, so reliable, and so capable that we need each other far LESS for just about everything! We can talk endlessly about 'liberal-this' or 'conservative-that', but if we ignore the massive impact of technology on all societies, Leftist or Conservative in orientation, we are missing perhaps the single most-important factor....

 

So, to recap: "Not everyone agrees with me about everything I've ever said, therefore white genocide." Equal parts pathetic, dishonest, and dangerous.

 

There's a biological process that leads to new people arriving. It isn't "thin air" and it is quite an enjoyable process. You should look into it.

 

The real life examples are the working and middle classes. Loss of private property. Wealth Divide. Increasing homelessness. Increasing personal isolation from family and community. Etc etc.

Seems to me that you've simply chosen to ignore all the above, reassuring yourself it isn't happening because you don't have a fat file in front of you. That's like pretending a wildfire isn't rolling towards your house because you've not yet received an official alert from Emergency Services.

 

"Minorities"? "Trade Unions"? Wow .. way to pretend it's still 1999.

If you care as much as you seem to be claiming you do, how are you managing to pretend the Left hasn't monstered the working and middle classes? By uttering 'unions!' as though that older problem has anything at all to do with the current problem?

 

Dude ... the Progressive Left HATES collectivism and community. Absolutely ****ing hates it. They've been working actively against the habits of the collective for two decades. They've convinced people like you that 300 million strangers are your community, so you don't need that Other Kind .. the kind that actually takes far more commitment and compromise. They have created nations of isolated 'every man for himself' individuals who think the world revolves around them.

Small units are the only reality that works for the social mammal. That's been true for 20,000 years, and is not going to change. The most civil nations on earth are made of people who take their social obligations (to THEIR family and THEIR community) seriously. When everyone is responsible, there are no strangers needing saving. That's the freaking point.

 

I have to go to work now, and deal with the damned plague. Back to discuss this further later.

 

Did you mean real life examples exist or pertain to these groups?

Which private property is becoming public? I thought it was in the opposite direction.

How are left elites responsible for the wealth divide and increasing homelessness?

Please provide evidence that left elites are trying to isolate people from each other.

No I'm not saying the above isn't happening. I'm just simply trying to understand your "left wing attribution" model.

 

Figure it out mate.