Carnage on Gaza border as Palestinians shot dead by Israeli

As I said, Palestinians are terrorists. All they do is build tunnels and teach their children to hate and eventually die as "martyrs". They are very sick people. They have said time and time again that they will NEVER believe that Israel has a right to exist, so I really don't understand what you are saying. I don't care about the Palestinians because they are terrorists. You know what they say about karma...you would think they would have smartened up by now.

 

Aging and dilapidated technology used by Iranians? You don't even have the correct country. It was Iraq. You really need to work on your propaganda. Iraq not Iran used the T72M Russian tank. If they are aging and dilapidated, you best tell Russia. They still have over 10,000 of them in service in their military. In fact they have more T72s than all other tanks put together.

Below is the dogfight numbers from the Persian Gulf War. The Six Day War numbers show much the same. Russian junk sent down in flames.
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Persian Gulf War[edit]
Main article: Air engagements of the Gulf War
In the Gulf War of 1990–91, dogfighting once again proved its usefulness when the Coalition Air Force had to face off against the Iraqi Air Force, which at the time was the fifth largest in the world. By the second day of the war, the Coalition achieved air superiority. Many dogfights occurred during the short conflict, often involving many planes. By the end of January, 1991, the term "furball" became a popular word to describe the hectic situation of many dogfights, occurring at the same time within the same relatively small airspace.[77] By the end of the war, the U.S. claimed 39 Iraqi aircraft in air-to-air victories to the loss of only one F/A-18 and one drone. Of the 39 victories, 36 were taken by F-15 Eagle

 

Obviously it was a typo - I was referring to Iraq. That is the only thing you have gotten right so far.

I asked you to give dogfights in a war against Russia. Russia was not in the Gulf war ?

Why are you moving the goal posts ? - we are talking about missile technology.

 

There is no dogfight with modern planes.
You are down long before anyone can see anyone.

 

The Palestinians are terrorists are they. All Palestinians are terrorists. I see you have the same thinking as Lieberman and Shaked and of course that will be why you cheer the killing of unarmed children, disabled press and everyone else in Gaza making a protest. Basically you support a genocide - I am assuming you support the extra judicial killing of those you call terrorists and given that to you they all are that amounts to a genocide. You support a genocide
to protect Israel's occupation of these people in order to make sure there is never a Palestinian state as described below by Henry Siegman.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n10/henry-siegman/the-two-state-solution-an-autopsy-

This of course was before the massacre to celebrate the US acting illegally in bringing its Embassy into Jerusalem.

Basically if you as you suggest above believe that all people who are terrorists should be killed, then there should be no Jews alive in Palestine

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n10/henry-siegman/the-two-state-solution-an-autopsy-

What is the real reason you support a genocide against the Palestinians.

 

Speaking for myself, I do not support Syria or Iran.

 

Why do you hate the Jews? I want the Palestinians to overthrow Hamas. Why do the Palestinians put their own children in harm's way?

 

Good points.

 

The poster was claiming that in a battle with Russia - we beat the Russians 50/1 in dogfights. When I asked for evidence he pointed to the first Iraq war - which while they may have been using older Russian planes - was not "Russia" so it is a false dichotomy.

I agree that in many cases you would likely be down before seeing the other plane but, this is still a kind of "dogfight". We really don't know what will happen in a plane vs plane scenario (much less a group of planes) as technology has advanced and we have not seen this technology pitted against the best on the other side.

That said - in general a manned plane is in a heap of trouble against modern missile technology. This disadvantage will only increase as the missile technology advances much quicker than the ability of planes to defend.

Unmanned drones are the way of the future. (perhaps with a few manned planes directing the show).

 

Why are Israeli Jews putting their children across their own border on fresh ethnically cleansed land, at their own created front line? And last time I checked... Jews ethnic cleansed Palestinians to among places, a tiny stretch of land called Gaza... making it one of the most dense populated placed on the planet... to than complain that their are kids out their when they reign down WMD's on them.

 

Israel boosts plan to build 3,900 new settler homes

Israel's defence minister announced on Wednesday that authorities are set to grant permission for the construction of thousands of new settler homes - deemed illegal under international law - in the occupied West Bank as early as next week, the Jerusalem Post reported.

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2018/5/24/israel-boosts-plan-to-build-3-900-new-settler-homes

 

So first you claim all Palestinians are terrorists who you believe should be killed and then when I ask why you want a genocide on Palestinians you ask me why I hate Jews. Why do you think that because I am very critical of Israel I hate Jews. Do you believe all Jews support what Israel does? Do you know who the author of the book I quoted from in the post you are replying to was? He was Henry Siegman. Do you know who he is? He is a Jew and not just Jo Bloggs but a very well known one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Siegman

Do you believe that Henry Siegman is an antisemite because I find my view coincides with most of what I read from him.

Why do you believe that suggesting I hate Jews is an answer for calling all Palestinians terrorists who you clearly do not mind being massacred because to you each and every one of them is a terrorist is an answer to my asking why you have the desire to have a genocide on the Palestinians as your last post stated.

Why do you believe you have a right to say what the Palestinians have to do before you stop cheering their murder and do you really expect me to believe that if they did you would ever look for them getting any rights. Do you actually know anything about what goes on there because there is nothing you have shown in any post to me that you know anything except you do not like them, believe they are all terrorists and believe they should die. Nothing.

Despite all the information I gave you, you did not acknowledge one bit of it. You hate them because they are all terrorists and you say you hate terrorists and think they should be dead but you pay not one bit of attention to the reality that Israel was built on terrorism and that terrorism was taking these people's homes away from them.

This and the pretending they use their children as human shields has been correctly described as a technique to try and dehumanise them. Dehumanising being a technique used before genocide so we are back where the last post ended. Check out the second paragraph below

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n10/henry-siegman/the-two-state-solution-an-autopsy-
The Palestinians are protesting for the same rights that all human beings have. You not liking Hamas is no excuse to deny them the same rights other human beings have. Why do you believe the Palestinians should be expelled from their homeland, held hostage for 50 years, the last 15 or so being in an ever worse situation due to being bombed by one of the strongest armies in the world day after day including three total devastations which Israel likes to call 'wars' as if the fighting were two way.

There is no moral standing to support this. Israelis support it either because they are extremists or brainwashed but the biggest supporters of refusing the two State solution are the American Christian Right and they seem to hate a hell of a lot. Makes me remember how they got started. It wasn't of course on abortion as people like to say. No what got them going was not being able to get tax exemptions for segregated schools.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133

 

Why do Palestinians allow TERRORISTS to lead them? Why do Palestinian parents send their children out as "martyrs" to be blown up so that they can collect money? Why does Hamas send Palestinian children to the front of the line to be killed for photo ops? Why do Palestinian parents teach their children to HATE instead of love? Why do Palestinians spend their time digging tunnels into Israel? Why do they keep sending rockets into Israel?If Palestinians want a better life, then they must overthrow Hamas. Libs and Palestinians are totally clueless. Who could feel sorry for them?

 

All I know is that every time the 2 sides have sat opposite each other at a "peace" table, Israel has made concessions, but Hamas has not. Why you brought up the religious right is a mystery to me, unless you are implying I am a born again Christian which I am not. I am Catholic. I do not share your view at all on the Palestinian situation. In your extremely long reply, you never answered why you hate the Jews, and why you view all Palestinians as victims, when they ELECTED Hamas to lead them. Where is Hamas leading them? They aren't victims. I do not "cheer" when Palestinians die, but they could change their situation if they wanted, but they don't seem to want to. They need to smarten up.

 

A question I've asked before, but no one seems to have an answer: what do the Zionists think will become of the millions of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories? As they settle the West Bank and eventually incorporate it into Israel, what do they think will become of the Palestinians?

 

The dogfights involved Russian equipment vs US equipment. All Russian equipment and technology stack up the same, second rate.

 

Your question can't be answered, because it's based on faulty premises.

There are millions of Zionists, Jews and non-Jews alike, some right wing, some left wing, some couldn't care less about politics, some supporting settlement activity, some rejecting settlement activity, some undecided, some religious, some secular, some atheists, some openly expressing their opinions on forums and blogs, some keeping their opinions to themselves.

How is anyone supposed to know what each and everyone of these people is thinking, and why would anyone assume all of them think with one mind?

 

Well, they are not. It's the Jews who just shoot them. Last time they shot 1000's of Palestinians trying to go back to THEIR OWN PROPERTY.... with.. get this... SNIPERS! And it's the Jews who send in their children on to fresh ethnically cleansed lands as human shields. If the Jews want a better life, they must return all the property they have thieved, and allow the Palestinians to return to THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

 

Jews owned properties in what is called today "West Bank". The Jordanian occupiers never bothered to compensate the Jews who lost their properties when kicked out of their homes in 1948. Jews are just returning to their lands.

 

Jews ethnic cleansed 92% of the Arabs in Israel. The most part of Israel and the WB was owned by Arabs... until the Jews started thieving around. And until today by the barrels of their sniper rifles massacre anybody who tries to go to their home. And if it takes shooting 1000's of civilians... than that is what the Jews do. It is unprecedented. Hence the Jewish homeland is the most condemned nation on the planet.

 

No, most of the land didn't belong to Arabs. It belonged to the Ottoman sultan before WWII, then to the British administration. Most of the privately owned land belonged to absentee landlords, like the Sarsouk family in Lebanon, and the Arabs working those lands were tenants, not owners.

Jews have lived in Gaza for more than two thousand years uninterruptedly, until kicked out by Egypt in 1948. Maybe we should return to our lands there.

Most of the world needs Arab oil. The world turned against Israel after the oil embargoes of the 70's. Blackmail is what makes so many nations surrender to the Arab and Muslim temper tantrums.

 

It still is a yes, most of the land belonged to Arabs. The colonial thug nations gerrymandered the borders of Israel to have Jews the slightest majority in it. Hence the Jews ethnic cleansed 92% of the Arab population. Their virtually were no Jews living outside of that. The bulk of the land simply was owned by Arabs.

Nobody likes a country full with ethnic cleansers. Their are compelled to ethnic cleanse, out of religious reasons. You know,.. the Jewish god massacred innocent Egyptian babies, so the Jews marched to the land of Canaan to commit genocide in order to thieve the lands. All with the blessing of their God.

 

As stated previously - we are talking missile technology. You moved the goal posts to dogfights and were using examples from 30 years ago - and gave no assessment of whether the equipment being used by Iraq was the modern Russian equivalent of what the US was using.

After the fall of the wall the Russians were economically defunct and in serious disarray. They realized they could not compete with the US plane for plane - ship for ship. Russia has a total of (1) operational aircraft carrier.

What they did was focus their efforts on specific niche technologies. One area they focused on was missile technology. In the 90's Russia introduced the "Sunburn" anti ship missile. This was a supersonic cruise missile that skims along the ocean and not detected until it breaches the horizon - at which point a ship has roughly 45-50 seconds to react.

At the time we had no defense and this missile was a decade more advanced than anything we had.

Later versions were faster, stealthy, and smart. Reaction time was reduced to under 30 seconds. Russia started working with China and India on Missile technology. India introduced its version "BrahMos" which is based on the P-800 Oniks in 2001. This missile flies at Mach 3.

Since then the technology has continued to improve. Recently Russia introduced the Zircon - a hypersonic anti ship cruise missile.

The Brits are saying there newest carrier (scheduled to be operational in 2020) will be obsolete due to this missile.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ssia-zircon-missiles-hypersonic-a7651781.html

The head of the US air force strategic command concurs. Talking about newer variant of this missile (Kinzhal) he said we have no defense.

Your claim that Russia's missile technology is second rate is simply not true.

 

https://www.dailysabah.com/feature/...-cost-sultan-abdulhamid-ii-the-ottoman-throne

The author of the article is Prof. Dr. Ekrem Buğra Ekinci, professor of history of Turkish law and Islamic law. The only site in English I could find about him is Wikipedia, which I don't like, so I checked sites in Turkish. Yes, it's him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekrem_Buğra_Ekinci
http://www.ekrembugraekinci.com/biyografi.asp

Arabs didn't own most of Palestine. Palestine was Ottoman, not Arab.

May I see your diploma in Judaic studies?

Numbers, notme. You claim Jews ethnic cleanse Arabs. You have to prove your claim. Numbers, places, this kind of stuff. Facts.

 

In 1900, Sultan Abdülhamid II restricted Jews' stay in Palestinian territory to 30 days. He further prohibited the acquisition of territories to foreign Jews in the Ottoman Empire, including Palestine. It was declared that the Ottoman Empire was not a settlement area for people who were exiled from Europe

And here you claimed it was mostly Jewish.
lol

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...h-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

From 30.0% Jewish to 82.1% between the years the jews drove out the Arabs.
I have no idea how on earth you can say most of the land belonged to jews with numbers like this.
And this is from a site that is over the top pro Jewish.