Carrier says it struck a deal with Trump to keep nearly 1,000 job in Indiana

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/29/news/economy/trump-carrier

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/b...-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?_r=0

I indeed am not a Trump fan but I did say that if Trump manages to turn Carrier around I will give him credit. Do not expect me to trust him overnight and with this one possible good deal.

We do not know what the deal is but of the nearly 2000 jobs that Carrier was to send to Mexico they very well may keep 700 or so in Indiana.

Two other Carrier plants of 700 and 400 workers is still up in the air.

Half a loaf is better than none. Let's hope the tax payers are not paying for this.m

Carrier is a division of UTC -United Technologies a major defense contractor which includes engine maker Pratt and Whitney...


Anyone else happy about this and anyone else wonder at what cost this glory of job savings will cost us?

 

Great news!

Obama refused to save those carrier jobs and Hillary said good riddance, but Donald Trump said lets save those jobs.

Donald Trump is already making America Great again!

 

well not to ruin anyones parade, but of course this is coming at the expense of the taxpayer, otherwise there would not need to be a "deal" in order to cause something to happen... either carrier would have conceded everything, or they were offered something... perhaps there is a tiny remote chance they said, hey look, if you just leave us alone and don't harm us, we'll keep half the jobs, what do you say... I think thats an almost zero possibility... its just business, carrier is not above business decisions... the reason it was moving the jobs was to capitalize on cheaper labor, they aren't going to stay in america just to make everyone feel good, so I have no doubt there was something offered to them and they said you bet'cha...

I said in another thread, republicans are going to be judged in 2018 and 2020 for what they do in 2017... unless they do something more than just hack away and dismantle portions of the government that are out of control, they will surely lose the majority control in 2018, and the presidency in 2020... they must and I mean must, do something for the people, something aside from their usual reigning in of government excess... they must actually do something that will benefit the poor and middle class immediately, not years down the road...

but hey, maybe my pessimistic side will be wrong, I would love to be wrong, but as someone who's owned multiple companies for decades and spent a lifetime hiring and firing people and chasing pennies, I can't imagine anything less than a substantial offering to carrier to keep 1000 jobs in america from the 2000 they were going to ship off... for anyone who doesn't understand the math since those seem like small numbers, to someone in my position, thats tens of millions of dollars annually, and at the salary one worker cited, thats potentially one hundred million annually... you would have to offer me a lot as president to get me to roll the dice on that kind of money... I sure wouldn't do it to be patriotic...

 

I think its all a bunch of hot air

 

The parent company of Carrier is United Technologies which is a big Defense contractor, so Trump has some leverage there, but that's not going to be the case with other companies...

 

"possible threat to United Technologies’ far-larger military contracting business."

 

No thats a short sighted way of looking at things. If your big enough where outsourcing makes sense your big enough that your going to be entagled in the corporate web and have some connection to defense. Does your company not do any business with defense? Oh but your biggest customer has a huge contract with the navy and all of a sudden he decides not to buy from you if you leave. This can happen in many layers of relationship.

Face it. This is a weapon we never use but could have and it took trump to do it.

 

Trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do...

He's not a politician man...

There is no evidence to suggest he wouldn't do what he said he would do....

 

Really liked your post save the last line. You are keeping an open mind, which is honestly all someone like me could ask. You are allowing the possibility that Trump has done something useful, and as a negotiator, may be able to do some good. You are a reasonable person, who has some different views than I. I can really respect that. A lot of guys I call allies on this board would not give a single inch if Clinton had done as well. A lot of guys you might call allies wont give it to Trump. You are what I hope for when coming here.

 

At least he took the time to talk to them. Obama was busy golfing.

 

"globalisation and automation cannot be reversed."

 

Said nobody. However they can be transformed, especially by leveling the field, and innovating.

 

Care to,prove your allegations about Obama and Hillary?

 

So, will he keep saving jobs at other plants?

 

This is one more place where the web of Trump business interests and off-the-cuff promises intersects consistent public policy.

And, sounds for all the world like a publicity stunt:

 

They did nothing to keep them, and taxed them heavily for operating here as an attempt to appease the eat the rich sentiment amongst the OWS crowd. Have you been... following the market?

Well... yes. This is sort of the crux of his entire domestic policy. Incentivize plants to stay here. Renegotiate trade deals to that end. Lower the obscene tax burden here, negotiate... it is a large part of why he was elected.

 

He does the best he can under the circumstances, he's not even president just yet. His ultimate objective is to change laws and trade agreements in such a way that companies choose to keep jobs in the country, instead of them being coerced, bullied or blackmailed with leverage.... That he is putting an effort this early in the game is certainly a positive and hopeful start.

 

Obama is president - they move jobs to Mexico, Trump gets elected, they "decide" to keep these jobs in Indiana. What other proof do you need besides the pudding?

 

once we outsource the jobs of columnists and news anchors they will suddenly say it can be reversed.

 

Yes.

They were fired.

 

The man isn't even president yet, and saved 1000 jobs.

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mohan-tatikonda.asp?cycle=08

Liberal predicts future... again.

Sounds for all the world like Trump knocking at the door of opportunity. I get you are bitter. We will improve your life, despite your protests. Yer welcome.

 

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Crapgame:
Try making a DEAL!
Big Joe:
What kind of DEAL?
Crapgame:
A DEAL, deal! Maybe he's a Republican. You know, "Business is business."​

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To make a deal requires two people (or groups) to sit down and negotiate quid pro quo. The old TP method of accepting no compromise is dead. Both sides hope to gain something from each other. This is the way business and government works. At this point, no one is privy to the negotiations Trump made with Carrier suffice to say that Carrier had to have received something to make up for the possible gain in profits Carrier would have had, if they did move those jobs to Mexico.

 

There's always leverage to be found in business.

We needed a type of leader who could get these sort of things to happen.

It clearly wasn't Obama and certainly wouldn't have been Hillary.

Obama spent his time trading away American interests, allowing a super-government to control our future, putting shackles on business, and playing golf.

Hillary would have literally sold government policy to the highest bidder, err sorry "donor".

Meanwhile Trump isn't even in office yet and hes already (and actually*) saved jobs.

*Unlike when Obama talks about all the jobs hes "saved", in which neither he nor his policies had anything to do with.

MAGA

 

That's the old "Maybe he did cure polio but he didn't touch cancer" whine.

 

How could Trump have given them anything when he isn't even in office?