Carrier says it struck a deal with Trump to keep nearly 1,000 job in Indiana

Anyone remember Trump making a promise to fine a company %35 if that company dared to send jobs to let's say Kapustastan to build products and if that company brings those products into the US. . .?

Anyone have a link to that promis?

 

Nope. I'd rather spend the money to keep them employed. We have enough people sucking off the welfare teat.

 

What does "United States" mean to you?

Does it mean that federal mandates on healthcare do not have depressive effects on independent states? That if a state outperforms other states, they do not feel the toll of things not within the control of their dominion?

Come on with that (*)(*)(*)(*). Friend.

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He hasn't taken office yet. FFS.

 

Yes - I think we're in reasonably close agreement here.

Yes, we subsidize energy in many ways.

We use trade deals to work to close gaps on what we see as cheating, on humanitarian issues, etc.

I'd point out that we really have nobody in the US with political clout who champions the issues of workers in America. There are a few cases where they are used as pawns in attempts to gain advantage in other areas. But, that can not be considered championing the issues of workers in America.

Bernie came close.

 

Yes... the taxpayers that HAVE (*)(*)(*)(*)ING JOBS.

This seems to be voodoo math to you. Do you want 1000 people, paying taxes, having jobs, not siphoning from the federal teat? What do each of them earn per month? How many months does that take to reach 700k in taxes? Lets say each of them earn 40k, which is a very low estimate. Lets say each of them pay 10k in taxes, which is an unreasonably low estimate. 1000 x 10,000 = 10,000,000.

Where the (*)(*)(*)(*) is your argument?

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Yes... the taxpayers that HAVE (*)(*)(*)(*)ING JOBS.

This seems to be voodoo math to you. Do you want 1000 people, paying taxes, having jobs, not siphoning from the federal teat? What do each of them earn per month? How many months does that take to reach 700k in taxes? Lets say each of them earn 40k, which is a very low estimate. Lets say each of them pay 10k in taxes, which is an unreasonably low estimate. 1000 x 10,000 = 10,000,000.

Where the (*)(*)(*)(*) is your argument?

 

Every nation with which we compete has a health care system that is oriented to giving equal access to every citizen.

Ours does NOT. Yet, you are advocating making our system worse in that dimension.

Maybe the point here is that not everybody shares the same idea of what "out perform" even means, let alone your assumptions about what causes America to be competitive in this world of ours.

 

You bring up some interesting questions and points.

I wonder how many micro seconds after the sounds of the congratulatory pats on the back of the Trumpeizda fade away into the dark cosmic reaches of the universe will another company emerge out of the slurry of the slime of government and business relations and asks for a deal like Carrier got or they will move to Lacoocooranchy Mexico or to Kobadavilke Kapustastan.

Will the crack team of Super Realestate Man and the Pensive Mickey repel down the side of the company's tied only with Dynamic Dental Flos and deliver another save to the American people?

 

Maybe you should note that there have been 300,000 manufacturing jobs added in Indiana since 2010.

So, try the following: $10,000 X 300,000 = ???

Now, multiple by 3 as an average of 3 years per job that has been added.

And, multiply yours by some fraction of one year, since this thing by Carrier is only a delay.


The point is that you are trying to play GAMES!!


And, I'd respect you more if you could manage to present your arguments using language accepted on the board.

 

Every nation which "competes" with our health care system benefits from our innovation.

Let me tell you what is coming. Gene therapy. This is going to change the world of health care. We pioneered it. We began the HGP. We produce the machines which decode it. We produce the research which invades and rectifies it. We are beating the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing drum which will drastically change the world as you know it... and it was not because of socialist altruism. I don't care how unsettling this is to you. I like results. I measure by them. The world benefits by our bucking their collective perspective... and yours.

Yer welcome.

 

Luckily for my self esteem, I do not require your admonishment.

Are you familiar with the incoming VP who made those jobs possible? I assume you get that this is "abnormal" growth. I guess you think it was Obama's love of Indiana? LOL

Carrier was a specific promise of the the incumbent. It was met before he gained office.

Suck it. lol.

 

It is not dark magic beyond the scope of natural understanding.
The tax benefits they got were overwhelmed by the tax benefits of keeping people employed. I dunno why this threatens your understanding of the world. Friend.

 

Yes, our direction pretty much has to be in innovation, information, high tech, etc.

But, your assessment of where we are in that competition doesn't seem at all compelling to me, including in medicine.

And, I don't see us doing what other nations are doing in order to make headway in that competition.

And, that is in post high school education.

We aren't going to do that "drum beating" in that arena if we fail to train every brain cell we can.

We've only got 5% of the world's brain cells

 

We built the arena in which they compete. We head every list of innovation. We outnumber the world in medical nobels similar to our domination of the olympics. You get to pretend that it is happenstance. I honestly don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what you believe. My wife is a medical savant. My work is in the field of organizing the human genome. Your perspective of where we are is so unimportant to me, I cannot be bothered to finish this repl

 

The move was not going to be until 2019. Trump is not in office yet so has he got the mandate to do anything? Are they just empty promises.

 

Maybe a deal which ends on November 8, 2020?

 

what matters is the perception of the public. Idsiot and shills can sit back and pretend this will not help Trumps reputation and make the Democrats look like weak little whiny do nothings

 

Of course perception matters, and that's exactly what this is all about. And his supporters and the media are lapping it up.

He is smart, though. Throw the average Joe a little carrot, while the real meat will be distributed in back room deals in DC (or his Trump tower). And the details of the Carrier "deal" will have to be kept in private (the back room) too. Otherwise it would become clear that his success has been bought with tax payer's money as special interest to Carrier.

 

So empty promises to follow all his broken promises before the vote

 

Yes, because we are all stupid. The media too. You are the smart one. It must be amazing, and frustrating.

 

I hated the idea of a Trump presidency, passionately, but I'm beginning to wonder.

I still worry about his social policy platform, despite the fact his rhetoric has abruptly ceased. His cabinet picks as far as this goes seem a little sketchy, but I'm still hopeful because pre-campaign he never seemed like an overly biased individual.

But a lot of his other picks have promise, some of the best ones seem somehow to be the most controversial.

Don't get me wrong, I still expect this to be a disaster. But I've gone from being 100% certain down to 85%, and he hasn't taken office yet.

 

You still don't get the big picture,it looks like it was a carrot stick deal and as I said before as Trump negotiates better trade deals and creates a friendlier business environment in America as in lower taxes and less burdensome regulations, fewer and fewer businesses will be tempted to bug out in the first place. That's the BIG picture you can't see though your Trump hate fog.

 

We'll talk again when the details of the deal emerge (if ever). Then you can tell me if you still approve of back room special interest deals giving away tax-payer's money for some quick publicity stunt.

All I know is that you'd be condemning the deal as cronyism had it been made by Obama.

 

Trump's definitely making Obama out to be a fool with this move. It's good. I think Obama really shot himself in the foot that day he opined mockingly at a dinner party with Trump in attendance about what a Trump presidency would look like.

 

There is another Trump Tower in NY State and the manager has been jailed for embezzling 8.6 million dollars. I think its Westchester.

 

Why are you so angry that American jobs may be saved?